View Poll Results: Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame?
Rose should be in the Hall.
62
65.26%
Rose should not be in the Hall.
20
21.05%
Depends (discuss below).
7
7.37%
I could care less.
6
6.32%
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Sports>Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not?
Ashcan Bill 05:03 PM 07-28-2009
Originally Posted by icehog3:
My opinion? In. Guilty by association, not because of personal wrong-doing.
Originally Posted by joed:
I agree.
Originally Posted by MedicCook:
I also agree. The players involved even stated that Shoeless Joe did not take any money.
As do I. The evidence against him is questionable.
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vankleekkw 05:17 PM 07-28-2009
As far as Shoeless goes, he was dumber than a box of rocks. He had one of the greatest series of all times and he is still not allowed in the Hall. BS if you ask me.
However, I think that the steriod era of the late 90's/ early 00's should be in the HOF. This was the single thing that pulled Baseball out of the crapper. Everyone remembers the 5000 or less fans in the stadiums until McGwire/ Sosa race. EVERYONE knew they were juiced, but no one cared because the fans were flocking back into the stadiums.
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Gophernut 05:52 PM 07-28-2009
Pete did apologize for betting on baseball, just not as sincerely as people would have liked. I loved watching Pete play the game. How many doubles did he get out of singles that he hustled on? The 44 game hit streak. He was one of the best players of all time. That is what he should be in the hall for.
Granted he was lying at the time, but I still like the way he made Jim Gray look like an a$$hat.
Let's not forget that he was also voted onto the all century team. One of only 30 players on that list. That list came out after his ban.
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icehog3 06:03 PM 07-28-2009
Originally Posted by bobarian:
After thinking about this for a couple of days, I voted no. But I am not against him being enshrined if the Vet's committee votes him in. I think they are a much better judge that the sportswriters in this situation.
I believe that is the only way he can get in, Bob, as they did not "stop the clock" regarding his 15 years of eligibilty during the ban.
:-)
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hornitosmonster 06:06 PM 07-28-2009
bobarian 06:18 PM 07-28-2009
Originally Posted by icehog3:
I believe that is the only way he can get in, Bob, as they did not "stop the clock" regarding his 15 years of eligibilty during the ban. :-)
Yes. Its up to the Vets committee. I said this meaning that if the Vets approve him being in their hall then its kind of like your mom allowing a friend in who you dont like. Its their house.
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icehog3 06:19 PM 07-28-2009
Originally Posted by bobarian:
Yes. Its up to the Vets committee. I said this meaning that if the Vets approve him being in their hall then its kind of like your mom allowing a friend in who you dont like. Its their house.
Word, My Brother.
:-)
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gettysburgfreak 07:11 PM 07-28-2009
Personally based on his credentials as a ball player I 100% think the guy belongs in the hall. He was one hell of a baseball player who played the game the way it was meant to be played-balls to the wall, you go hard on every play. Now having said that I have met the guy and hes a prick.
I was in Cooperstown a number of years ago with my dad and we were coming out of a restroom of the shop where Rose signs stuff every year at the hall of fame inductions and he was right outside the door kind of hanging out. I was probably 16 or so at the time and asked him if he would sign a baseball I had in my pocket. He said to me "do you have a ticket?" I asked him what for and his response was "if you don't have a ticket I won't sign anything" Well the ticket was for 40 bucks to get a ball signed later in the day.
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Resipsa 07:22 PM 07-28-2009
Originally Posted by Azpostal:
He is the greatest hitter in the history of baseball. IN..IN...IN!!!!!!
:-)
Needs to be put to bed and voted in.
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Resipsa 07:27 PM 07-28-2009
Originally Posted by shilala:
You don't have to take Pete's word on that one.
A lawyer investigated Pete's gambling (The Dowd Report). Found 100's of instances of gambling. Not one bet was ever placed against his team.
not finding evidence of his having placed bets against his team is not the same thing as saying he didn't do it.
:-)
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icehog3 09:13 PM 07-28-2009
Originally Posted by gettysburgfreak:
Personally based on his credentials as a ball player I 100% think the guy belongs in the hall. He was one hell of a baseball player who played the game the way it was meant to be played-balls to the wall, you go hard on every play. Now having said that I have met the guy and hes a prick.
I was in Cooperstown a number of years ago with my dad and we were coming out of a restroom of the shop where Rose signs stuff every year at the hall of fame inductions and he was right outside the door kind of hanging out. I was probably 16 or so at the time and asked him if he would sign a baseball I had in my pocket. He said to me "do you have a ticket?" I asked him what for and his response was "if you don't have a ticket I won't sign anything" Well the ticket was for 40 bucks to get a ball signed later in the day.
If he is a prick because he signs things for money, then 95% of ex-ballplayers must be pricks.
:-)
Originally Posted by Resipsa:
you asshat, I didn't get the reference at first, :-):-)
:-)
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gettysburgfreak 09:57 PM 07-28-2009
I was referring to the fact that he didn't even take a second to sign a ball for me or engage in a quick conversation with me and my dad. Rose is my dads favorite baseball player and the only thing Rose said to us was do you have a ticket. I am all for paying for an autograph as it one of my hobbies but not taking one minute and signing a ball for a kid in the back of a building where nobody else was around is crap.
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icehog3 09:59 PM 07-28-2009
Originally Posted by gettysburgfreak:
I was referring to the fact that he didn't even take a second to sign a ball for me or engage in a quick conversation with me and my dad. Rose is my dads favorite baseball player and the only thing Rose said to us was do you have a ticket. I am all for paying for an autograph as it one of my hobbies but not taking one minute and signing a ball for a kid in the back of a building where nobody else was around is crap.
I had a similar disappointing situation when I met my childhood hero as an adult (Stan Mikita), so I apologize for minimizing your story.
:-)
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vankleekkw 10:06 PM 07-28-2009
The worst I saw was Scottie Pippin, the azzhat. walked past all the kids, looked at a handicapped kid in a wheelchair, and said "I dont do autographs".
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shilala 10:44 PM 07-28-2009
Originally Posted by vankleekkw:
The worst I saw was Scottie Pippin, the azzhat. walked past all the kids, looked at a handicapped kid in a wheelchair, and said "I dont do autographs".
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You should consider yourself to have never been graced by Barry Bonds.
I had the privelage to meet him on a number of occasions.
I'm not sure what a$$hole college he went to, but he definately finished at the top of his class.
:-)
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vankleekkw 10:50 PM 07-28-2009
I think it is Cali players. I had Bud Black tell me he didnt know how to sign. My dad then asked him how he signed his paycheck. He flicked us off and went to the dugout getting booed.
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mojo65 01:19 AM 07-29-2009
IN for his play on the field.
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BlackDog 09:22 AM 07-29-2009
I think this may help put the matter in some kind of perspective.
There is only one rule in regards to criteria for membership in the Baseball HOF, and that is Rule Five:
Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played
Link - HOF Rules
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icehog3 03:47 PM 07-29-2009
Originally Posted by BlackDog:
I think this may help put the matter in some kind of perspective.
There is only one rule in regards to criteria for membership in the Baseball HOF, and that is Rule Five:
Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played
Link - HOF Rules
It really doesn't though, because there are many HOF'ers with what I would consider questionable character or integrity.
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