Do you think you know a lot about Cigars? - Page 3

Sure, you can enjoy anything ignorantly, but anybody that cares enough about a topic to join a forum centered around it (ie: every inmate here) is probably going to have enough passion about that topic to want to learn some history. Cigars have a long and rich history, which is in and of its self interesting, and while the quiz in the OP may not be much of anything, you seem to be suggesting that knowledge of cigar history is not related to cigar smoking. I find that cigar history and the general techniques of storage, smoking etc that one finds on forums like this adds to my enjoyment of cigars immensely:-)

Originally Posted by TheRiddick:
I still have no idea what any of this have to do with smoking cigars. Very few wine drinkers know much about wine history, hell, even professional writers know little, and yet it doesn't stop anyone from enjoying cigars.

A quiz better tuned to cigar smokers would be like this:

1. Who was the good for nothing actor idiot to use children as ruse to raise taxes on tobacco products sold in Kalifornia in late 1990s? And where did the money go?

2. When Federal level SCHIP tax kicked in last year, similar to the one passed in Kalifornia in the '90s, why wasn't similar Kalifornia tax repealed? Are Kalifornia kids getting double the benefit now with 2 taxes "helping them out"? Where does the money go in both cases?

3. When marijuana growing and sales are legally approved in Kalifornia, what odds are there that someone in Sacramento's "think tank" (yeah, I know, a huge stretch of imagination) will find a way to tie in sale of tobacco products to marijuana sales to raise taxes on tobacco even higher? 5-1? 10-1? 50-1?

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How does knowing about tobacco and alcohol tax proposal of 1794 make you enjoy cigars more? Or what Churchill called his "paper" trick given the fact that no one else has used it since? Do you know what size and shape was it and HOW it was used meaning just how it fit over a cigar? What kind of paper used? Does the creator of the quiz?

Just curious.

Like I said, even really serious wine drinkers won't pass a well put together wine history quiz, I'd bet 90% fail even on professional level, and yet I have never heard anyone tell me that this lack of wine history knowledge makes them enjoy wine less. I'll even state that 90% of so called "sommeliers" in restaurants know very little about wine based on my experience and interacting with them. Yet I am sure they do enjoy wines tremendously.

It would make more sense if cigar smokers could ID cigar components in a blind taste. THAT is the true enjoyment of cigars, IMO, and true knowledge of a product.
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Again, I wasn't defending the OP, there is a difference between history and trivia. The OP was really just a list of banal trivia, and the answers as such wouldn't help me enjoy cigars more, but it seems like you're saying that knowledge of cigar history doesn't add to the enjoyment of cigars. IMO, studying cigar history gives one a sense of what has come before, and adds to the enjoyment of cigars by giving one an appreciation of the craftsmanship and long work that goes into the making of this subtle thing that is a cigar. Call it food for thought as you savor your smoke. I agree that people should develop their palates, and blind taste tests are extremely fun to participate in and, I think, are essential for any serious cigar smoker's development as a connaisseur. But I would defend the value of history to cigar smoker's enjoyment of the hobby as well.

Originally Posted by TheRiddick:
How does knowing about tobacco and alcohol tax proposal of 1794 make you enjoy cigars more? Or what Churchill called his "paper" trick given the fact that no one else has used it since? Do you know what size and shape was it and HOW it was used meaning just how it fit over a cigar? What kind of paper used? Does the creator of the quiz?

Just curious.

Like I said, even really serious wine drinkers won't pass a well put together wine history quiz, I'd bet 90% fail even on professional level, and yet I have never heard anyone tell me that this lack of wine history knowledge makes them enjoy wine less. I'll even state that 90% of so called "sommeliers" in restaurants know very little about wine based on my experience and interacting with them. Yet I am sure they do enjoy wines tremendously.

It would make more sense if cigar smokers could ID cigar components in a blind taste. THAT is the true enjoyment of cigars, IMO, and true knowledge of a product.

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We seem to be talking apples and oranges :-(

I am not against historical trivia, been reading all sorts of cigar history for years (decades, actually) now. Still, what does knowing that Churchill came up with a "paper holder" without MORE info on it do for anyone's cigar enjoyment, especially since no one has used the method since. And if I hand you a cigar, will you be able to tell me what rolling method has been used (save for the obvious figurado and machine made cigars)? That's my point, the quiz didn't do much in terms of educating anyone on much. If this is how the author of the quiz is "educating" people, then I can tell she is not making much progress. IMHO, of course, and you mileage will vary.
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I think that means we agree then:-)

Originally Posted by TheRiddick:
We seem to be talking apples and oranges :-(

I am not against historical trivia, been reading all sorts of cigar history for years (decades, actually) now. Still, what does knowing that Churchill came up with a "paper holder" without MORE info on it do for anyone's cigar enjoyment, especially since no one has used the method since. And if I hand you a cigar, will you be able to tell me what rolling method has been used (save for the obvious figurado and machine made cigars)? That's my point, the quiz didn't do much in terms of educating anyone on much. If this is how the author of the quiz is "educating" people, then I can tell she is not making much progress. IMHO, of course, and you mileage will vary.

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Possibly one of the most entertaining threads I've been through in a while, and unintentionally so! Bravo.
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I am surprised that the Admiral has not applied the Monkey Balm yet!
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Originally Posted by Texan in Mexico:
I am surprised that the Admiral has not applied the Monkey Balm yet!
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I am the kinder, gentler Admiral now.

:-) :-)
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Hey guys you might want to check her site out again, She posted something new on there that might interest you more.
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Originally Posted by FriendlyMan:
Hey guys you might want to check her site out again, She posted something new on there that might interest you more.

And what might that be?

Please provide more information to the members here so that they can choose to go there or not.
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Originally Posted by pnoon:
And what might that be?

Please provide more information to the members here so that they can choose to go there or not.

Probably about how good looking you are Peter :-)
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Originally Posted by TheRiddick:
Oh, hell, I'll take a stab:

1. Cheesecloth is used to shade tobacco plants from harsh sun rays. Once harvested, cheesecloth is dropped and re-used as side-wall frame in next harvest. Corojo wrapper is tied to the cheesecloth frame to ensure it grows upright (and stronger).

2. Bunching methods. I thought there are 5, actually, any reason she is missing one? Anyway... In order of least complex to most complex:

Lieberman bunch, bunching technique used for machine rolled cigars
Book bunch
Accordion bunch
Entubado bunch, aka Entubar

There is also a Figurado (Hybrid) bunch - complexity wise on Entubado level and probably even more so, very intolerant to mistakes while bunching. Not sure why she has not included this method in her question unless she does not consider Lieberman bunch a "method".

3. Sir Walter Raleigh?

4. Alexander Hamilton's proposed tax package of 1794.

5. Cohiba is Taino Indians' word for tobacco plant. This is where I disagreed with a recent thread's premise and stated then and stating now that Cohiba, as a BRAND, was officially introduced in 1982, band, box and all.

6. Bellybando.

from what i have learned, "cohiba" is a smoking ritual performed by the "behike"(or "medicine man") and the the smoking artifact itself.
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Originally Posted by TheRiddick:
How does knowing about tobacco and alcohol tax proposal of 1794 make you enjoy cigars more? Or what Churchill called his "paper" trick given the fact that no one else has used it since? Do you know what size and shape was it and HOW it was used meaning just how it fit over a cigar? What kind of paper used? Does the creator of the quiz?

Just curious.

Like I said, even really serious wine drinkers won't pass a well put together wine history quiz, I'd bet 90% fail even on professional level, and yet I have never heard anyone tell me that this lack of wine history knowledge makes them enjoy wine less. I'll even state that 90% of so called "sommeliers" in restaurants know very little about wine based on my experience and interacting with them. Yet I am sure they do enjoy wines tremendously.

It would make more sense if cigar smokers could ID cigar components in a blind taste. THAT is the true enjoyment of cigars, IMO, and true knowledge of a product.

try me
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This time its about Pairing Cigars and Bourbon.

Originally Posted by pnoon:
And what might that be?

Please provide more information to the members here so that they can choose to go there or not.

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Originally Posted by Robert Mabona:
try me

:-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwfP2fSjA7U

Sorry, I belong to Adriftpanda and Sonic Mike.
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Originally Posted by Robert Mabona:
try me

You really think you can do better than the likes of Laube, Heimoff, Parker, Stone and others?
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Her most recent blog entry is about Cigars and Bourbon, a pair I know a few people around here enjoy.

*Edit - Too slow on the keyboard today*
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Originally Posted by TheRiddick:
You really think you can do better than the likes of Laube, Heimoff, Parker, Stone and others?

I think Huy and Mike can do better than anyone!:-)
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Originally Posted by TheRiddick:
You really think you can do better than the likes of Laube, Heimoff, Parker, Stone and others?

and you stumped all of them? who are you, michel rolland?
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Well, I'm gonna do a lil bragging for a minute....

I won!!

:-)

:-)

Has my knowledge of cigar and tobacco history been expanded and enhanced? YES! Will my next stick taste better because of it? Probably not. Do I get to do a happy dance?!?! You betcha!! :-)

I hope everyone who chose to participate had a good time. I know I learned a thing or three.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled shenanigans.
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