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Ten Reasons to Lift the Cuba Embargo

Delia Lloyd
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Posted: 08/24/10Back when I worked as a producer for Chicago Public Radio in the early part of the decade, we would periodically revisit the question of whether to do a show on Cuba. Every year, the same anniversaries would roll around -- Fidel Castro's 1959 overthrow of the U.S.-backed Batista government, President Kennedy's failed 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion -- and every year we'd invariably conclude that things really weren't changing enough to warrant an update.

What a difference a few years makes. As my colleague Luisita Lopez Torregrosa reported back in May, the Obama administration has been working quietly behind the scenes with the Cuban government on a host of bilateral issues. In May 2009, President Obama lifted travel restrictions for Cuban Americans wishing to visit their relatives on the island.

This summer, that apparent thaw in Cuban-American relations accelerated dramatically. In June, the House Agriculture Committee voted to reverse a decades-long ban on U.S. citizens traveling to Cuba and to ease restrictions on the sale of American commodities there. In July, two senators followed suit by announcing a bipartisan bill that would also facilitate travel to Cuba, which they claimed enjoyed two-thirds support in Congress. And last week, the White House reportedly stepped into the fray again, with signals that the president would issue an executive order to further open existing travel opportunities for American students, teachers and researchers, possibly before Labor Day. For its part, Cuba released 52 of its 167 political prisoners in a July deal brokered by the Catholic Church, which many see as an important precursor for normalization of relations between the two countries.

It's not yet clear what all of this will amount to. The congressional bills still need to wend their way through several other committees, where they may face entrenched opposition to altering Cuba policy, especially on the long-standing trade embargo. And even the presidential order (if it comes) will only return Cuban policy to where it was under President Clinton after a decade of more severe restrictions under President Bush.

Still, all of this has lots of people speculating that there's a sea change afoot in U.S.-Cuban relations, one that has the potential to not only ease travel restrictions but possibly even overturn the embargo itself.

In that spirit, here are 10 reasons that lifting the embargo makes sense:

1. It's good economics. It's long been recognized that opening up Cuban-to-American investment would be a huge boon to the tourism industry in both countries. According to the Cuban government, 250,000 Cuban-Americans visited from the United States in 2009, up from roughly 170,000 the year before, suggesting a pent-up demand. Lifting the embargo would also be an enormous boon the U.S. agricultural sector. One 2009 study estimated that doing away with all financing and travel restrictions on U.S. agricultural exports to Cuba would have boosted 2008 dairy sales to that country from $13 million to between $39 million and $87 million, increasing U.S. market share from 6 percent to between 18 and 42 percent.

2. It's good politics. Supporters of the trade embargo -- like Cuban-American Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) -- have long argued that easing the restrictions would only reward Castro for the regime's ongoing repression of political dissidents. We need to keep up the economic pressure on Cuba, so this logic goes, in order to keep pressure on the regime to do something about human rights. But there's a long-standing empirical relationship between trade and democracy. The usual logic put forth to explain this relationship is that trade creates an economically independent and politically aware middle class, which, in turn, presses for political reform. It's not clear that this argument actually holds up when subjected to close causal scrutiny (although the reverse does seem to be true -- i.e., democratic reform creates pressure for trade liberalization). Still, it's difficult to disagree with the proposition that by enabling visiting scholars and religious groups to stay in Cuba for up to two years (as the presidential order would allow) rather than a matter of weeks (as is currently the case) we'd be helping, not hurting, democracy in Cuba. First, easing the current travel restrictions would allow for far deeper linkages between non-governmental organizations from both countries, which some see as a powerful mechanism for democratic reform. Second, because American visitors would be staying on the island longer, scholars and activists alike would gain much better insight into where the pressure points for democracy actually exist.

3. It's a double standard. Another reason to question the link between the embargo and human rights is that it's a double standard that flies in the face of U.S. foreign policy toward other high-profile authoritarian countries, most notably China. Stephen Colbert once quipped that Cuba is "a totalitarian, repressive, communist state that -- unlike China -- can't lend us money." Unless and until the U.S. pursues a consistent policy of sanctions against politically repressive regimes, the case against Cuba doesn't hold up very well.

4. It's out of date. To argue that U.S.-Cuban policy is an anachronism is putting it mildly. In an international climate marked by cooperation on issues ranging from terrorism to global financial crises, holding on to this last vestige of the Cold War foreign policy no longer makes sense. (Bear in mind that the young people now entering college were not even alive when Czechoslovakia existed.) Sure, there's still tension between the United States and Russia. But the recent renegotiation of the START agreement on nuclear proliferation reinforces the notion that the Cold War is no longer the dominant prism for understanding that bilateral relationship, much less the Cuban-American one.

5. It doesn't work. Of course, if the embargo were the last outpost of Cold War politics and it produced results, that might be an argument for continuing it. But scholars and analysts of economic sanctions have repeatedly questioned the efficacy of economic statecraft against rogue states unless and until there's been regime change. And that's because, as one scholar put it, "interfering with the market (whether using sanctions, aid, or other government policies) has real economic costs, and we rarely know enough about how the target economy works or how to manipulate the political incentives of the target government to achieve our goals."

6. It's counter-productive. Isolating Cuba has been more than ineffective. It's also provided the Castro brothers with a convenient political scapegoat for the country's ongoing economic problems, rather than drawing attention to their own mismanagement. Moreover, in banning the shipment of information-technology products, the United States has effectively assisted the Cuban government in shutting out information from the outside world, yet another potential catalyst for democratization.

7. It's inhumane. If strategic arguments don't persuade you that it's time to end the embargo, then perhaps humanitarian arguments will. For as anyone who's traveled to the island knows, there's a decidedly enclave-like feel to those areas of the economy where capitalism has been allowed to flourish in a limited sense (e.g. tourism) and the rest of the island, which feels very much like the remnant of an exhausted socialist economic model. When I went there in the 1990s with my sister, I remember the throngs of men who would cluster outside the tourist haunts. They'd hope to persuade visitors like me to pretend to be their escort so they could sneak into the fancier hotels and nightclubs, which they could not enter otherwise. Horse -- yes, horse -- was a common offering on menus back then. That situation has apparently eased in recent years as the government has opened up more sectors of the economy to ordinary Cubans. But the selective nature of that deregulation has only exacerbated economic inequalities. Again, one can argue that the problem here is one of poor domestic policy choices, rather than the embargo. But it's not clear that ordinary Cubans perceive that distinction. Moreover, when you stand in the airport and watch tourists disembark with bucket-loads of basic medical supplies, which they promptly hand over to their (native) friends and family, it's hard not to feel that U.S. policy is perpetuating an injustice.

8. There's oil there. Another reason to think that it might be time to reconsider our Cuba policy is this natural resource. Cuba has begun exploratory drilling in search of oil in its territorial waters, with some reports estimating the island could become a major oil producer -- and refiner -- over the next five to 10 years. In an era where geopolitical realities may make places like Venezuela and the Middle East less reliable sources of oil for the United States, we need all the friends we can get, particularly when they're right next door.

9. It's unpopular. According to the travel-service provider Orbitz Worldwide, 67 percent of Americans favor lifting the travel ban, and 72 percent believe that expanding travel to Cuba would positively impact the lives of Cubans. Orbitz has collected more than 100,000 signatures in favor of restoring travel to Cuba through its OpenCuba.org drive. And according to Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), one of the leading proponents of lifting the embargo, if a vote in Congress were taken secretly, the ban on travel and trade would most likely fall. In other words, the environment to lift sanctions may be ripe politically in a way that it wasn't even six months ago.

10. It restricts Americans' freedom of movement. Cuba is the only country in the world where Americans are restricted by their own government from visiting freely. Yes, that's right. It's easier to go to North Korea (from the American end of things) than it is to travel to our Caribbean neighbor. In a country whose "great American novelist" -- that would be Jonathan Franzen -- just published a national epic titled "Freedom," one need not underscore this irony.

Here's hoping that if I ever return to radio, we'll have more reason to run shows on Cuba in the future.

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That sure is long, Moe. It made my face hurt.
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I wanna go there!
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Originally Posted by shilala:
That sure is long, Moe. It made my face hurt.

That's what she said.

:-)
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Originally Posted by GTS21:
That's what she said. :-)

Get your mind out of the gutter. I am a fan on the embargo being lifted for many reasons and Cigars is not the top one for me. Travel and infrastructure will help their economy and ours.
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I love 7 and 8.

Embargo is inhumane? What about Castro? Are we in fact that important in the lives of the Cubans that can openly trade with the REST OF THE WORLD?
Without us, tourism is the #1 industry in Cuba.

Oil? Good reason. :-)

Some folks will just never get it.
Castro's regime does not want relations with the US.
They need to do anything to sabotage that possibility.
If they don't, and US relations are established, they will have succumbed to Yankee Capitalism.
They will see it as failure as their system will in fact crumble.
When this subject last arose not too long ago, the next day, Fidel was inflammatory and declared the US was going to nuke Iran.
Why on Earth would he do that if we are on the brink of re-establishing relations? Well, if you are asking this, you missed the aforementioned point(s).
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And some reasons not to - though its a bit selfish...

There will be a huge increase in demand putting pressure on production and creating potential quality problems. The prices currently paid from free trade zones is silly low compared to the government controlled (taxed) prices we will be paying. There will be incentive for the government to enforce preventing grey market sales from other countries (Tax Revenue). Once its a revenue source, enforcement gets staffed, unlike the wink wink that goes on now, fines and criminal charges get serious. Many may look back on the "prohibition years" as the golden age - price wise.

That being said, it is long overdue and the people of Cuba, and their relatives here deserve a normalization of relations and all the benfits associated with becoming a more open free market society. Castros regime needs to make the adjustments to make it happen though. At least until we nuke Iran and North Korea. (Castros latest rantings).
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Originally Posted by Blueface:
I love 7 and 8.

Embargo is inhumane? What about Castro? Are we in fact that important in the lives of the Cubans that can openly trade with the REST OF THE WORLD?
Without us, tourism is the #1 industry in Cuba.

Oil? Good reason. :-)

Some folks will just never get it.
Castro's regime does not want relations with the US.
They need to do anything to sabotage that possibility.
If they don't, and US relations are established, they will have succumbed to Yankee Capitalism.
They will see it as failure as their system will in fact crumble.
When this subject last arose not too long ago, the next day, Fidel was inflammatory and declared the US was going to nuke Iran.
Why on Earth would he do that if we are on the brink of re-establishing relations? Well, if you are asking this, you missed the aforementioned point(s).

I have to agree with Carlos on this one. For Fidel, opening up relations with the US will make him feel as a failure. He would feel as if he fought all those years "freeing" Cuba from the Batista regime was all for nothing.

I don't know about you but I know that if I fought for something for decades and upheld my position on it then I would not go back. Not only is it hypocritical but at that point what face does he save with his supporters?
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Originally Posted by massphatness:
I wanna go there!

Let's plan a trip Vin...I just have to let my hair grow out so I don't look like a US servicemember
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Man I wanna go to sooo bad.....I am just afraid I would end up on one of the "locked up abroad" episodes on the History Channel if I went now.
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First, I agree with Dave as to what will happen to pricing when the embargo does end. Our government will jump on that tax source fast and hard, and cigar prices will rise dramatically. Supply and demand will also drive prices.

Secondly, I agree with Carlos that the Castros most likely see an end to the embargo as a threat to their power. But, their domination is in its twilight. Time goes on, and they won't.

Lastly, and sadly, I think the embargo will end for the wrong reason. We've been involved in the Middle East since the end of WWII for one reason. I suspect we'll end the embargo and reengage with Cuba for the same reason.
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11. Moe wants it lifted
:-)
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Originally Posted by markem:
11. Moe wants it lifted
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actually Im a bit conflicted... I dont wanna see my prices go up, if you know what I mean :-)
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I think #3 is the strongest point...
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In relation to cigars, prices are a less concern to me than fakes... I can only imagine the spike in counterfeit habanos (and it's insanely bad as it is already).
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Originally Posted by DBall:
In relation to cigars, prices are a less concern to me than fakes... I can only imagine the spike in counterfeit habanos (and it's insanely bad as it is already).

There's bound to be an authorized retailer list. What's sad is imminent restructure of the NC market.
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Originally Posted by darkleeroy:
There's bound to be an authorized retailer list.

And for every authorized distributor, there's bound to be 300 grey/illegitimate ones out there to sucker the people who don't know any better.
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Originally Posted by e-man67:
Man I wanna go to sooo bad.....I am just afraid I would end up on one of the "locked up abroad" episodes on the History Channel if I went now.

What's the problem? Book a vacation to Cancun and take a flight from there, its only an hour one way.
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Agree with Carlos, but then both of us have actual real life experience living under the "wonderful" communist/fascist/socialist/progressive regime and all that entails. Funny that those who argue for lifting of the embargo have never lived nor experienced great life under a tyrant and do not understand that self-appointed ruler gods would never want democracy nor reaching out from USA, just the money that would keep them in power. Cuba used be live better in the days of USSR, once those huge subsidies ended with the fall of USSR Cuba basically started falling apart.

The only way to deal with this is to starve the beast even more. Castro just allowed private business a la latter day Russia/China, if we starve them more people there will finally realize they can change things.

BTW, today Cuba announced that they will no longer subsidize locals' cigar buying and if they want to smoke cigars they would need to pay same prices outsiders do. Will be interesting to see how people of Cuba react to that.
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Originally Posted by TheRiddick:
Cuba used be live better in the days of USSR, once those huge subsidies ended with the fall of USSR Cuba basically started falling apart.

From my reading of Cold War history, the Soviets supported Castro so lavishly solely because of what he represented--a bulwark of Communism on the American enemy's doorstep. Beyond that, they considered him a major pain in the ass, who did as he damn well pleased on the support-of-world-revolution circuit.

Personally, I'd be happy if restrictions were relaxed on the purchase of some items of Cuban origin (to conveniently include cigars) from third-party sources...but that would probably have similar effects to what Klugs cited.
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Originally Posted by M1903A1:
From my reading of Cold War history, the Soviets supported Castro so lavishly solely because of what he represented--a bulwark of Communism on the American enemy's doorstep. Beyond that, they considered him a major pain in the ass, who did as he damn well pleased on the support-of-world-revolution circuit.

That's how they treated all their vassals, why would Castro be any different. But USSR was awash in cigars and sugar back in those days since Castro had no other means to pay, not that anything changed since.
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