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Tombstone 12:58 PM 02-26-2009
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."


~~~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 to 2005, Former Pastor of Bellevue Baptist Church in Memphis , TN ~~~
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white_s2k 01:00 PM 02-26-2009
Really good quote, last line hit it home for me. "You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it"
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pnoon 01:02 PM 02-26-2009
This thread straddles the line of becoming political in nature.

Tread carefully, posters. :-)
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Tombstone 02:53 PM 02-26-2009
This quote is just a statement of facts.
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icehog3 03:08 PM 02-26-2009
Originally Posted by Tombstone:
This quote is just a statement of facts.
And if anyone takes it in a political direction, it's toast. :-)
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ChicagoWhiteSox 03:18 PM 02-26-2009
heres a qoute that goes with the OP

"To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, 'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it.'"
-- Thomas Jefferson :-)
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pnoon 03:20 PM 02-26-2009
Originally Posted by Tombstone:
This quote is just a statement of facts.
No. It is someone's perspective/opinion.
There are no facts in the statement.

That being said, he does present a plausible perspective.
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taltos 03:29 PM 02-26-2009
The following quote is not, I believe, overtly political but a statement of the times when said and it is equally true almost 50 years later. "No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity." President John F. Kennedy when he proposed lowering the maximum tax rates.
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Tombstone 03:37 PM 02-26-2009
Originally Posted by pnoon:
No. It is someone's perspective/opinion.
There are no facts in the statement.

That being said, he does present a plausible perspective.
I disagree. People's opinions can be factual.
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ChicagoWhiteSox 03:39 PM 02-26-2009
Originally Posted by Tombstone:
I disagree. People's opinions can be factual.
:-)
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pnoon 03:50 PM 02-26-2009
Originally Posted by Tombstone:
This quote is just a statement of facts.
Originally Posted by Tombstone:
I disagree. People's opinions can be factual.
O.K.
If the statement is fact, then there really is no reason or room for discussion. Why else would you post this if not to discuss? And where would you expect the discussion to go if not in a political direction?
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croatan 04:03 PM 02-26-2009
According to dictionary.com:

Fact: Something that actually exists; reality; truth.

Opinion: A belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

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By definition, I don't believe an opinion can be a fact.

I pay $x in taxes = fact. My taxes are too freaking high = opinion.
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AAlmeter 04:10 PM 02-26-2009
Originally Posted by pnoon:
O.K.
If the statement is fact, then there really is no reason or room for discussion. Why else would you post this if not to discuss? And where would you expect the discussion to go if not in a political direction?
Perhaps to serve as a reminder of a fact, much like the reminders we get to have a designated driver or wear our seat belts. Though those statements may not leave room for discussion, they still contain very valuable information...regardless on a person's political feelings towards DWI/seatbelt laws.
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ChicagoWhiteSox 04:15 PM 02-26-2009
Originally Posted by croatan:
According to dictionary.com:

Fact: Something that actually exists; reality; truth.

Opinion: A belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

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By definition, I don't believe an opinion can be a fact.

I pay $x in taxes = fact. My taxes are too freaking high = opinion.
The OPs quote contains truth to it. History has shown that you cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. So if that is true, is it a fact?
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pnoon 04:26 PM 02-26-2009
Originally Posted by AAlmeter:
Perhaps to serve as a reminder of a fact, much like the reminders we get to have a designated driver or wear our seat belts. Though those statements may not leave room for discussion, they still contain very valuable information...regardless on a person's political feelings towards DWI/seatbelt laws.
Excellent point, Adam.

But posting a reminder in a public forum (whether fact or opinion) will lead to discussion.

And here is a fact. I initially felt this thread was started as a political statement. However, I felt that a reminder to all might keep it from becoming a political discussion and ultimately getting shut down. Proof that no good deed goes unpunished.
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CBI_2 07:08 PM 02-26-2009
Originally Posted by icehog3:
And if anyone takes it in a political direction, it's toast. :-)
As long as it isn't French toast. :-)

Thanks for sharing the quote Tombstone.
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King James 07:32 PM 02-26-2009
I don't think an argument of semantics is needed. An opinion can still have some truth to it and not be fact.

But back to the original post, I think it is a really good quote
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TripleF 08:14 PM 02-26-2009
It's a true statement Tombstone, just sucks that we do nothing about it but discuss it.
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shilala 08:20 PM 02-26-2009
The late Dr. Adrian must have never heard of doubling down.
I win.
Go ahead and lock this thing up, Peter. :-)
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hotreds 08:42 PM 02-26-2009
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