I don't believe Fumadores are seconds. They are a short/mixed filler cigar made for Holts. The little havana overruns would be a second.

If you want to see true seconds and a lot of them look here: http://www.lynncigars.com/subpage4ne...l#newbrandlist
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Were you hitting x-outs?:-)
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Ha ha! Noodles and Laddie Xs mostly. Although, towards the end of the season I picked up a few boxes of the Noodle "Hit Me Again" balls that Wally World carries, and I thought they played just as well as the new balls. :-)
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The RP Vintage Seconds 1990 & 1992 are pretty good cigars
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