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General Discussion>Why should the Government Have a Say?
Latinbeauty 07:45 AM 12-11-2009
I smoke cigars, cigarettes, and Hookah. Why should the government have a say in where we smoke or what we smoke?If I happen to get lung cancer or Mouth cancer, God Forbid, that would be by my own doing. I made that mistake but hey it was good while it lasted. Hey Government worry about getting us out of this recession and leave us to the smoking. :-)
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68TriShield 07:52 AM 12-11-2009
I could not agree more Bianca. It's quite sad really...
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mosesbotbol 07:56 AM 12-11-2009
You're preaching the choir.

I could give you a lot of reasons why someone would say you are incorrect, but I don't want to cite a heated thread that's not really my opinion. So why bother?
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Skywalker 08:38 AM 12-11-2009
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol:
You're preaching the choir.

I could give you a lot of reasons why someone would say you are incorrect, but I don't want to cite a heated thread that's not really my opinion. So why bother?
:-) My answer would be political... won't go there!!!
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Ashcan Bill 12:09 PM 12-11-2009
Originally Posted by Skywalker:
:-) My answer would be political... won't go there!!!
Likewise.
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DougBushBC 01:12 PM 12-11-2009
I think you will find that about 99.99999% of the people here will agree with you, and the .00001% that doesn't probably are just doing it to be funny.
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Wanger 07:20 PM 12-11-2009
Even if I didn't smoke, I'd be against the bans. As long it is an establishment that you have to be 18 to enter, it should be up to the owner/proprietor. If the demand for non-smoking establishments is that high, then they shouldn't have a problem with lost business.

And if I say any more, it would get political. LOL
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ChicagoWhiteSox 07:30 PM 12-11-2009
Why should the Government Have a Say? Because a certain few people in power don't believe people should smoke. How those certain few people got in power, I don't know. But im sure they don't want people doing a lot of things.:-)
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Blueface 07:32 PM 12-11-2009
Originally Posted by Latinbeauty:
I smoke cigars, cigarettes, and Hookah. Why should the government have a say in where we smoke or what we smoke?If I happen to get lung cancer or Mouth cancer, God Forbid, that would be by my own doing. I made that mistake but hey it was good while it lasted. Hey Government worry about getting us out of this recession and leave us to the smoking. :-)
:-)
Is cigars all that worries you about them?:-)
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Sauer Grapes 10:45 PM 12-11-2009
Originally Posted by Wanger:
Even if I didn't smoke, I'd be against the bans. As long it is an establishment that you have to be 18 to enter, it should be up to the owner/proprietor. If the demand for non-smoking establishments is that high, then they shouldn't have a problem with lost business.

And if I say any more, it would get political. LOL
A lot of people say this isn't the case... however, where I live just had a smoking ban start and it didn't have a noticeable effect anywhere I've been because most restaurants and bars were already non smoking. The free market really will provide non smoking options and plenty of them without the government forcing the issue with bans.
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Demented 11:15 PM 12-11-2009
Anti-smoking laws are nothing new. The Ottoman Empire attempted a smoking ban in the early 17th century, 400 years later the war against evil tobacco rages on.
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Sauer Grapes 11:46 PM 12-11-2009
Originally Posted by Demented:
Anti-smoking laws are nothing new. The Ottoman Empire attempted a smoking ban in the early 17th century, 400 years later the war against evil tobacco rages on.
No doubt because of the fire danger cigarettes posed to their footrests and couches.
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AD720 07:34 AM 12-12-2009
Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes:
No doubt because of the fire danger cigarettes posed to their footrests and couches.
:-)
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TripleF 07:48 AM 12-12-2009
It is truly sad, but what's sadder is we do nothing except complain about our government instead of oppose and fight them, niot that we would win............myself included.


Kinda reminds me of why our forefathers left Europe.....
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Whynot 08:44 AM 12-12-2009
I don't have a problem with bans in public buildings, but if it is a private enterprise, the owner should make the rules. And I find it hard to make it political since there are donkeys from all parties involved.
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Blueface 09:01 AM 12-12-2009
Originally Posted by TripleF:
It is truly sad, but what's sadder is we do nothing except complain about our government instead of oppose and fight them, niot that we would win............myself included.


Kinda reminds me of why our forefathers left Europe.....
Originally Posted by Whynot:
I don't have a problem with bans in public buildings, but if it is a private enterprise, the owner should make the rules. And I find it hard to make it political since there are donkeys from all parties involved.
Easy solution.
Get a space shuttle that seats 535 (435 for House and 100 for Senate).
Send them on a FREE one way ticket to the moon.
That should temporarily solve our smoking problem as we will then be able to smoke all we want, anywhere we want, while we decide who will replace them.
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mcdimond 10:19 AM 12-12-2009
Originally Posted by Wanger:
If the demand for non-smoking establishments is that high, then they shouldn't have a problem with lost business.
Amen! Let's have a little more "free" in our free market economy!
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Demented 10:28 AM 12-12-2009
Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes:
No doubt because of the fire danger cigarettes posed to their footrests and couches.
If you smoked in the early 17th c. you smoked a pipe.
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icehog3 10:29 AM 12-12-2009
Originally Posted by Demented:
If you smoked in the early 17th c. you smoked a pipe.
Personally, I did not. :-)
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mosesbotbol 12:30 PM 12-12-2009
Originally Posted by Whynot:
I don't have a problem with bans in public buildings, but if it is a private enterprise, the owner should make the rules. And I find it hard to make it political since there are donkeys from all parties involved.
If you feel that Government has a duty to protect its citizens, then you can argue that the owner does not have a right to make his own rules.

:-) I did not want to go there, but you have to consider the larger philosophical issues on government and governance.
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