Again, you skirted the question....

Not asking you to say it is fair or agree that the BIG12 is better ect....?

I am asking that if the shoe was on the other foot, would you think Alabama was getting the shaft....?

Would you, but on a more personal level, feel like I do....that the wrong team is playing in the BCS Championship game....?
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Now that is a real mischaracterization. Where you and I battled most is that I define balance as
offense-defense-special teams, the same definition as the football commentating world. You're
comeback comment was about running and passing, TRUE, one definition of balance, but not where
I was headed EDIT (and certainly not something you could gauge superiority on.)
When you said that my statement was a crock, naturally, I differed, because I feel like special teams
is a gigantic part of the game and is an integral portion of good balance. When I said we were superior
to you in balance, it was easy for anyone to see. IN THAT GAME, We severely out-kicked you
guys in place-kicking and punting. To a smaller degree in that game, but a huge degree over the season,
we also have a Heisman candidate that changed the complexion of games IN SPECIAL TEAMS as well as
on defense. To me that means superior special teams, i.e. superior balance. We both have monumental
running backs, (we have more, but...), we both have superior defenses, and LSU has superior special teams
play IN 2011 at least. What was so difficult to understand about that?
Your respons in the end was basically "whatever". So no I was not trying to paint you all as lunatics.
I was making the valid point that you didn't want to hear anything about you being inferior to LSU in
any way. The loss was still too painful for you to see not just why you lost the game but why you guys
are actually number two in the polls by an admittedly tiny margin. I like Alabama, but the fans of Alabama
REALLY made a poor showing in that thread, because all of you basically reacted the same way. YES I pick
at scabs, Yes I pour salt in the wounds, yes It takes me 40 words to say one word, but I am the nicest guy
in the world on a level field. I give due where it is due and I respect people who can do the same. Me and
Michael (Powers) bet on LSU-UF for years with jabs and pokes for whole seasons and in the end I don't think
he and I are on all that bad of terms. In the end I have no ill thoughts of you at all. I just figured you were
so offended by the presentation that you ignored the facts. I would have to go back and check on what facts
you presented for your argument. I am guessing they were Richardson and Saban based.
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Found it. Pretty good read.

Don't blame us...
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I've felt many times we "should have" gotten/done something. But I don't feel anyone getting shafted. I guess that's where we'll have to agree to disagree. Because I wouldn't feel we were shafted, I would feel like it was our fault we lost when it mattered.
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This ain't the SEC thread any more 'gents, gotta make sure the Yankee boys understand us :-) :-)
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If that is your honest assessment and you feel like if the tables were turned & even with a tougher schedule, conference championship ect, you were being held out of a chance at the BCS Championship, by a team that aready played(at home) and lost to the eventual opponent, you'd feel it was on your team, you didn't do what you needed to do, great attitude. Fair enough.
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^^^ I'll add....that is what we'll agree to disagree on, because I really believe that you would feel shafted....
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I think you are right in that Rizzle and 'the others' cound NOT step outside themselves and see
that OK state is getting the shaft. Especially now that this rematch is not only looking more
possible with every loss by others, but actually set in stone. But that is the nature of things.
I am not sure I could either. I again bargain from a position of concensus, LSU is in. But in
another thread, it goes on still. People counting rankings from August and September when no one
knew WHAT was going to happen. That is the luxury of people who are IN and the bane of people
who are OUT. Always will be.
But that is why I laughed when Rizzle asked you "Who do YOU think is the best team, Alabama or LSU?"
He wanted to know where you were coming from so he could categorize 'the outlander', lol. It's just a
natural thing to do when your team is under attack, "who are my allies?' But all that said, I like this
thread more than the other one that is just unbearable right now, and yes, I started a lot of it.

----Edit---- I think one of the main reasons why they will not feel like OK state is getting the shaft
is that argument I made earlier, that bama has "4 top 25 wins". This is something that I think most
of them will adhere to over the long haul. You can chart OKstate's 4 top 25 wins right now, in the final
standings. In order to do it for bama, you have to start using what they call in Washington "fuzzy math".
And before I become the butthole again, let me state for the record that this is completely natural.
bama fans are fervent supporters of their team with an agenda to go with it, just like LSU would
be were OUR situations reversed. It is basically saying "the season is over for me now" or NOT saying
that. I remember I called my BIL who is a Duke fan a few years ago to ask him if he was watching
Memphis in the finals. He was sleeping. he told me "no, I quit caring about all that the night Duke
got bounced out."
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That other thread was quite amusing.... It would have been interesting to have watched it develop from day one. I made it about 2.5 pages and was in not so many words, told my presence there was not welcome by some....:-)

My comments were no different than here, which I do not think appear to be argumentative or arguing just to argue.... I guess being that it was a SEC football thread and I was not chanting SEC...SEC....SEC, I probably shouldn't get involved anyway....what did I expect....:-)

Who knows, to each their own...
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That kind of sums it all up, doesn't it?

Brad, I have yet to ignore a fact. I presented you with facts. Having better special teams, of which I clearly agree LSU is superior, doesn't make you a more "balanced" team. Obviously it does in your mind. We will obviosuly never agree on that. I would say it makes you a more complete team. Hell, that even sounds better. LSU is clearly better in one of the three phases of the game than Alabama. If that is balance, then so be it. Balance it is. You don't have superior depth, which was a statement you boldy made and bakced up with absolutley nothing.
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That's the way I would feel. But again, tougher schedule--totally subjective.

Just as a side thought, who is the Big Ten champion?
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Go back and re-read, Brad. Never, ever did I ask that question.
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See...you keep justifying(the schedule thing), if you had the tougher schedule, you wouldn't be doing that...IMO, you'd be bringing it up to back your side. See, that is how I feel like you have an inability to look at this objectively.... That said, I am not saying I have to be right.... Just discussing...

Wisconsin Badgers I believe
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Yes I do recall you saying that, sorry, I did not want to paraphrase where I needed to quote.
You saved me the trouble, that IS indeed what you said. Also right in that we will never agree
on it. But what I still can't see is how can you say Complete and adamantly oppose Balanced?
I know that next year you guys have a top kicker inbound, & will be more 'balanced' and a much closer
match to us in that regard, but what does semantics have to do with it if you will admit the idea?
Here is where I do not want you to get offended, but if you were beaten basically by your own weakness in
your "completeness", the kicking game, how could you deny that you were at least semantically "inferior"?
That, then, to me was arguing a point and covering your ears on my points, which is likely where
you got the idea I thought you guys were lunatics..
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Sorry, I only bring up the schedule because you do. And of course I can't look at it completely objectively because I have a stake in it. Now couple years back, I thought it should have been us throttling Oklahoma instead of Florida, but objectively, they beat us striaght up. Interestingly enough, we were ranked 1 coming into the SECCG, Florida was ranked 2, and Oklahome got in with it's only loss coming to Texas earlier in the year. I didn't feel we got shafted, we lost when it mattered.

Yep. Wisconsin. Beat Michigan State in the title game. After Michigan State already beat them earlier this year. Not that it matters, I'm just making a point.

Oh, I still think we have the better team. Don't you? :-)
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I don't know if you quite understand how much football in the SEC and the team you root for means. It goes beyond "I like this team/they're my alma mater".

Example: my grandfather starting working collecting tickets and selling Coke at Florida field in the late 1940s, got season tickets in the '60s and still does. My mother had a poster of Steve Spurrier in her room growing up. I grew up idolizing Danny Wuerffel and my little cousin was trained at the age of 2 to respond when asked "What do Gators eat for breakfast?" "Bulldogs!"

What I'm trying to say is that, for a substantial number of us, your SEC football team is a part of your identity. And that makes it difficult for objectivity

:-)
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Damnit, I knew I needed to go and get that acutal quote....yep, you got me, I read thorough it incorrectly.
The question should have been taken in context, and instead I took it as you asking the kind of question
I wanted you to be asking. I KNOW we never got a straight answer out of EJ on that one. I am also
curious on that from anyone, I THINK that OS got the shaft, but I cannot come up with a team I think is
either better than Bama OR capable of beating the Tigers.
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First, it's not impossible. See below. Plus, the end results doesn't matter. The debate is who should play who, not who won in the end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_BC...mpionship_Game

Clearly the theory that "voters" feel that a team who failed to win their own conference should be excluded from playing in a national title game is BUNK. They forgot to exclude non-conference winning 1-loss SEC teams. :-)

My point is a rematch reeks of an SEC bias. The Big-10 didn't get that chance in 2006. Why should the SEC get it now? Overall my point is pretty well summed up by E.J.

Nobody in their right mind thought Boise State could be Oklahoma in 2007 but it happened. Alabama had their chance to beat LSU. Time for someone else to get a chance. LSU-Alabama was settled on the field. NEXT!
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I agree a lot with Powers on that one, it is a lot deeper ingrained than most realize, but it is also a LOT like SEC
fans to not be able to see that that is COLLEGE FOOTBALL, not just SEC football. Not for all teams obviously,
some can barely fill a stadium. But in the main, fans are rabid homers everywhere.

I REALLY liked the way Wisconsin looked the other night, that Heisman kid looked like a man among boys
the way he picked his way downfield on what seemed like every down was for 10+ yards. But I would
counsel against people thinking that that kind of business plays down south. I know it sounds homery,
but you get Wisconsin down in the superdome and they get spanked. I have NO IDEA why it plays out the
same everytime, I hate it that we are viewed as so arrogant and so hated because of these annual collapses,
but it happens over and over again. That said, I'd like to see em come in and take a crack, more than a team
I have already beaten in their own place. Beaten is relative in overtime, but come on...at HOME?

And I DO know why it seems we win all the time. I think it is conditioning. When Wisconsin comes in for
spring or fall practice, it is not cold, but it sure ain't HOT. These guys down south dance on the line
between life and death at every practice, and by midseason, they are so well-conditioned to 60 brutal
minutes that I think they just wear down the competition come bowl time.
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I think I understand, I am just having discussion, attempting to show another side. People don't have to agree, but there is no doubt that it has to have them think. It is why I have qualified many times that I really feel there are many here that have an inability to look at this objectivly.

So who goes to the Rose Bowl, the conference champion? Not that it matters, just making a point...:-):-):-)
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