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muhren 01:31 PM 12-16-2011
I'm curious as I see prices all over the place. You can feel free to answer any, none, or all...A couple thoughts for discussion's sake:

1. If a cigar is unavailable (not produced anymore) should there be a secondary market mark-up? If so, how much?
Follow-up: would you pay that mark-up?

2. If a cigar is hard to find, should there be a secondary market mark-up?
Follow-up: would you pay that mark-up?

I'll post a poll too for quick answers...why not?!

M
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Mugen910 01:32 PM 12-16-2011
why? what are you trying to sell?
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icehog3 01:36 PM 12-16-2011
Originally Posted by muhren:
1. If a cigar is unavailable (not produced anymore) should there be a secondary market mark-up? Yes. If so, how much? Fair market value.

Follow-up: would you pay that mark-up? Yes.

2. If a cigar is hard to find, should there be a secondary market mark-up?
Follow-up: would you pay that mark-up?

See above.
And I am saying that from a buyer's perspective, as I rarely sell cigars.
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Resipsa 01:40 PM 12-16-2011
How much would a Picasso be worth if there were 15 million of them?

How much would a Van Gogh be worth if he were still alive producing them today?
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MurphysLaw 01:40 PM 12-16-2011
I'm with Tom, I'm not opposed to paying markup for something I can't easily get my hands on, as long as the price is fair. Fair is a relative term as well, what I think may be an absurd markup may be what someone else is willing to pay.
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Subvet642 01:45 PM 12-16-2011
Originally Posted by MurphysLaw:
I'm with Tom, I'm not opposed to paying markup for something I can't easily get my hands on, as long as the price is fair. Fair is a relative term as well, what I think may be an absurd markup may be what someone else is willing to pay.
Ditto.
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pektel 01:48 PM 12-16-2011
What they said.

As long as it's not price gouging, I don't see the problem.
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D Man 02:58 PM 12-16-2011
Supply and Demand
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goomer 03:13 PM 12-16-2011
Originally Posted by D Man:
Supply and Demand
Exactly. The market will work out the price as long as it is allowed to.
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muhren 04:20 PM 12-16-2011
Originally Posted by goomer:
Exactly. The market will work out the price as long as it is allowed to.

Follow-up on this...

IF the FDA gains control of cigars and advertising stops, walk-ins stop, blends must be approved, etc.

Does that make cigars created RIGHT NOW (or prior), ahead of any possible regulation, worth holding on to?

Just curious.

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icehog3 04:27 PM 12-16-2011
Originally Posted by muhren:
Follow-up on this...

IF the FDA gains control of cigars and advertising stops, walk-ins stop, blends must be approved, etc.

Does that make cigars created RIGHT NOW (or prior), ahead of any possible regulation, worth holding on to?
Hsdn't heard anything about blend approval, what have you heard?

Absent that, I don't see anything making them more desirable after that legislation/regulation than before.
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muhren 04:38 PM 12-16-2011
Originally Posted by icehog3:
Hsdn't heard anything about blend approval, what have you heard?

Absent that, I don't see anything making them more desirable after that legislation/regulation than before.
http://www.cigarrights.org/newslette...ate_120211.htm

Bullet point #7 (near bottom middle of the page)

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icehog3 04:47 PM 12-16-2011
Originally Posted by muhren:
http://www.cigarrights.org/newslette...ate_120211.htm

Bullet point #7 (near bottom middle of the page)

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Gotcha...apparently just speculation on the part of CRA.
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Taki 04:48 PM 12-16-2011
Originally Posted by muhren:
Follow-up on this...

IF the FDA gains control of cigars and advertising stops, walk-ins stop, blends must be approved, etc.

Does that make cigars created RIGHT NOW (or prior), ahead of any possible regulation, worth holding on to?

Just curious.

M
Absolutely worth holding on too...I hope it would never get to that but you never know. As for the other question as long as its not an out of control price I would pay :-)
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goomer 04:49 PM 12-16-2011
If the ban on flavored cigars goes through I would imagine certain cigars like Acids will be worth more. The biggest effect will be on the lack of affordable cigars due to the end of online ordering and the availability of cigars in many rural areas that don't have a good cigar shop.
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muhren 04:54 PM 12-16-2011
Originally Posted by goomer:
If the ban on flavored cigars goes through I would imagine certain cigars like Acids will be worth more. The biggest effect will be on the lack of affordable cigars due to the end of online ordering and the availability of cigars in many rural areas that don't have a good cigar shop.
Yeah...most mail order would be gone...if I'm reading correctly. But, they're making it sound like walk-ins would be gone too.

It would be like buying a pack of cigs at the gas station..."Gimme a robusto monte white and this pack of shulies gum."

M
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DPD6030 06:32 PM 12-16-2011
Originally Posted by icehog3:
And I am saying that from a buyer's perspective, as I rarely sell cigars.
:-)

Originally Posted by Resipsa:
How much would a Picasso be worth if there were 15 million of them?

How much would a Van Gogh be worth if he were still alive producing them today?
I don't know Vic but I sure would want one still :-) Maybe when I die my finger paintings will be worth more than the paper they are on :-)
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replicant_argent 07:04 PM 12-16-2011
Certainly your background and Cum Laude degree in ... let's see.. what was it?

Advertising?



Would allow you to answer this for yourself.
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muhren 06:41 AM 12-17-2011
Originally Posted by icehog3:
Gotcha...apparently just speculation on the part of CRA.
Yeah, it's hard to get a good grasp on what might really happen because I tend to only get information via CRA and it's "end of the world stuff".

I did their form letter to the congressman and senator is my area and I got a form letter back stating how horrible tobacco is on the health of the society. Most of the references were to Cigarette smokers though.

Either way....it'll be interesting.

M
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goomer 06:57 AM 12-17-2011
I saw a news story last night about how a few congressmen were pushing the FDA to ban flavored cigars. Evidently there's a study that shows more teens, and pre-teens, are smoking flavored cigars these days. Unfortunately, they aren't differentiating between flavored premium cigars and swisher sweets. My guess is those teens are getting their hands on the swisher sweets. I would also bet that many of them are not smoking the swisher sweet but only the wrapper with an alternative filler.

Once again congress is trying to regulate based on ignorance.
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