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Munkey 05:14 PM 01-20-2009
Why get a VinoTemp 28-Bottle VT?

Like a cooler, itís a sealed environment. (minus the drain Ė see below). For those in areas with temp fluctuations or hot environments, it adds the benefit of cooling the unit as well. Uses a thermoelectric element, which is better for cigars than say a mini-bar fridge with a compressor, which will pull the moisture from your cigars. Itís better looking than a cooler (and only slightly more expensive), but not nearly as good looking as an Aristocrat (and much cheaper).

How much does it cost?

VT - $150-200 at Target
Beads - $30-50
Fan - $5
Shelves - $10 per shelf
Cedar trays - $10-20 per tray
Hygrometer - $20
Cigars Ė Up to your credit limit


Ewwww, it smells like plastic. What do I do? You can give it a washing with a mild soap or baking soda, but I let mine air out for 2 days (unplugged of course) and started putting boxes in. Within 3 days, it smelled just like a humi should.

Why add shelving? Looks/utility, Humidor Smell, Control moisture.
VT shelving is made to hold bottles, not cigar boxes or trays.

Source: Woodcraft.com

4Ēx36Ēx3/8Ē will make two shelves (on one level) Some Gorillas use 3 per level. Personally, I like the idea of more air-flow so 2 is sufficient. You will worry less about box placement as well since there are more gaps.

Iíve also heard gorillas say ľ inch is sufficient to hold boxes without bending.

Do I need additional Cedar? No, the boxes and shelves you put in will be sufficient.

Remove the Vinotemp logo Ė 120-180 seconds of heat with a hairdryer to the front loosens the adhesive enough to pry it off carefully with your fingers. Goo Gone to remove the remaining residue.

Why use a fan? Even when turned on the fan in the VT only runs when the unit runs, in winter, itís unlikely that youíll have enough air circulation.

Oust or other kind of fan: Some use Hydra fans or computer fans. The majority of VT set-ups use Oust fans (although they are getting harder to find). Remove the cover for more air-flow if you use an Oust. Bobarian says: The covers unscrew, and the case splits in half. The fans will push more air this way. Use a rubber band to hold the battery in place.

Iím planning to use a 120 MM computer fan that is rated 42 CFM (Oust is 1-2 CFM). Iím adding a timer to run it at certain times of day.

I want to run a computer fan but donít know how to power it without a computer?

BXT AC to 12V DC with 4-pin Molex Power Supply (Genuine UL Rated)

BXT-ACDC-MOLEX for 12.95 @ buyextras.com http://www.buyextras.com/bxtactodcpos.html

Note: you can buy a Molex 4-pin splitter and run two fans off one power supply if you desire two.

Active or passive humidification? 1.5-2 pounds of beads spread throughout the unit suffice. No need for an active system. However, some users swear by Cigar Oasis systems.

What RH beads are best? Personal preference. Based on what I see posted in the humi thread and bead threads, most Gorillaís use 65% beads.

Temp Ė On or off? In a hot climate like FL, you probably want to run the VT, in milder climates the choice is yours, but you probably donít need it unless the temp in your house is high. 66 degrees is the warmest you can make the VT run. Itís the setting most choose, but in extreme heat you may need to adjust to lower temps to make it work. The VT isnít highly rated for making low temps for wine, but 66 degrees is fine for cigars. Note: the VT does not warm, so if you have a cold environment (say 32 degree garage), the unit will not warm your cigars to 66.

To plug the drain or not? I havenít plugged the drain on mine, and havenít noticed a huge loss in humidity. Itís a personal preference. If you live in a very humid area, odds are you are going to want to plug the drain and rig a system to catch the moisture from the unit. Some people recycle this into their beads, but I prefer to only add distilled water to my beads.

If you plug, use a odor free silicone or cover it with tape. One gorilla reported his plugged drain catches about 1/8Ē of water in a Cool Wh!p container each week in the summer. More on this topic by Shilala - http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8235

Where is the drain? On the floor of the VT if you look in the middle about 3/4 of the way to the back.

My VT wobbles, what can I do? The feet are adjustable.

I want to put some trays for singles in my VT, where should they go? Put them in the top or bottom of the unit. Placing them in front of the built in fan is potentially dangerous to your cigars as the constant air flow could dry your sticks out. (I now recommend NOT using trays.)

Will a VT stop the dreaded Beetle infestation? No. Iím not getting into a freeze vs. no freeze debate, there are other threads for that. You probably reduce Beetle Risk with a VT, but youíll find people that report Beetles at less than 70 degrees.

Can I run cables through the drain? Yes, several Gorillas have successfully done this. Itís labor intensive since the drain is ĎSí shaped. Also may require cutting the wires and re-attaching. Chewie says: I completely removed the drain assembly, which is very easy. Simply flip the fridge onto the front glass <lay a towel down first!> and use a wrench to remove the plastic hex nut holding the drain in place on the bottom rear. Then turn the fridge to the correct position, and use a pair of needle nose pliers to pull the drain assembly out. And just like ljh824, I used a drill bit to widen the hole a VERY slight amount. Finally, I used black caulk (looked better than the clear I originally used first) to make a very clean seal on both ends. Took about 20 minutes total.

Note: if you run wires through the drain, you probably want to build a drain catch.

Can I just put boxes on the floor of the VT? No, several gorillas have lost boxes of cigars after condensation built up and soaked the boxes. Also, the low first shelf offers a great place to keep your beads below.

How many cigars can I fit in a VT? barbourjay says: I have a hydra unit and about a pound and a half of beads. It's also completely full with close to 20 boxes and 3 singles trays.
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ChasDen 07:08 PM 01-20-2009
Originally Posted by Munkey:

I want to put some trays for singles in my VT, where should they go? Put them in the top or bottom of the unit. Placing them in front of the built in fan is potentially dangerous to your cigars as the constant air flow could dry your sticks out. (I now recommend NOT using trays.)

Not if your tray has a top like these:

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:-)

Very nice article :-)

Chas
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King James 07:10 PM 01-20-2009
awesome post! May sway me to buy one! :-)
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Mr.Goodfella 07:16 PM 01-20-2009
I really like the setup that you got going on. I never would have thought of something like that.
Although mine is not a Vino Temp it is a 28 bottle:
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This is from when I first purchased it. I will say that it is very easy to maintain a steady 65/65. I love everything about Winadors.
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BORIStheBLADE 08:12 PM 01-20-2009
Originally Posted by Munkey:
Why get a VinoTemp 28-Bottle VT?



Why use a fan? Even when turned on the fan in the VT only runs when the unit runs, in winter, itís unlikely that youíll have enough air circulation.

Nice post, good info.

With my vino set on the highest temp and the inside temp actually colder the fan is still circulating air while the vino is plugged in.
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chippewastud79 08:20 PM 01-20-2009
Nice outline, except for you can't find the 28 bottle Vinotemp anymore :-)
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Prospector 09:16 AM 01-21-2009
Originally Posted by chippewastud79:
Nice outline, except for you can't find the 28 bottle Vinotemp anymore :-)
It's not that you can't find them; just that you can't find them cheap anymore. You can always go direct to Vinotemp and order them online.

http://www.vinotemp.com/View.aspx/28...c-Wine-Cooler-
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rizzle 10:32 AM 01-21-2009
Good job bringing this over Munkey.
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Munkey 12:23 PM 01-21-2009
Originally Posted by chippewastud79:
Nice outline, except for you can't find the 28 bottle Vinotemp anymore :-)
You can, just not at Target anymore apparently. And the price is much higher than Target sold it for. Watch Craig's List or eBay. :-)
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Agent11br 03:11 PM 01-21-2009
interesting read!
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s15driftking 10:47 AM 01-31-2009
here's a question.

Will a cigar oasis be enough to keep a 28 bottle vino nice and humidified?
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Munkey 03:02 PM 01-31-2009
Yes, but it's really overkill. I haven't added water to my beads in months and just like a coolidor, the % stays very level. I put a hygro inside a box and left it for a few days and it was right on 65 which is what my beads are. Beads are also a lot cheaper than the oasis. and don't need a power supply.
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s15driftking 05:19 PM 01-31-2009
well, i own an oasis... and would rather just use it instead of having to buy another LB of beads to match the 1lb i have right now in my other humidor.
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King James 05:03 PM 02-05-2009
how much beads do you use?

And where would the best place to mount a fan controller be? could you run the wires through the drain opening?
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s15driftking 10:38 AM 02-10-2009
Ok,

Here's a question to the Vino-gods.

I have a cigar oasis on the very bottom of my vino and it keeps the thing well humidified... welll it's now too much humidity in a sense.

Here's the problem. i have two salt tested same-brand hygros and one is on the bottom and the other is o the top shelf. The one on the bottom reads 65% and the one on top reads 74% (respectively)....

My question is.. how do i even that out? Should i buy an oust fan to circulate the air? will the oust fan do the job? Should i put the fan up top where its very humid or down low where its right at 65?

What should i do?
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Parshooter 11:26 AM 02-10-2009
Originally Posted by s15driftking:

Here's the problem. i have two salt tested same-brand hygros and one is on the bottom and the other is o the top shelf. The one on the bottom reads 65% and the one on top reads 74% (respectively)....

What should i do?
That's strange. I've always believed that humidity will fall, therefore the bottom should have more humidity than the top. Check your cigars. Do the cigars at the top level feel the same as the ones on the bottom? Maybe you should invest in a nice digital hygrometer as well.
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Prospector 11:39 AM 02-10-2009
Originally Posted by s15driftking:
Ok,

Here's the problem. i have two salt tested same-brand hygros and one is on the bottom and the other is o the top shelf. The one on the bottom reads 65% and the one on top reads 74% (respectively)....
Have you tried swapping the two hygros, just as a sanity check on their operation? It would be interesting to see how they read then.
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Raralith 11:39 AM 02-10-2009
Originally Posted by s15driftking:
Ok,
My question is.. how do i even that out? Should i buy an oust fan to circulate the air? will the oust fan do the job? Should i put the fan up top where its very humid or down low where its right at 65?

What should i do?
Do you have anything obscuring the heatsink fan? Do you have boxes pushed directly onto it? If so, move the boxes and give it some room. The fan has holes on the front, top and bottom so air circulates in all directions. Also, is your drain plugged?

An oust fan won't do much in my opinion. The oust fan is 1-2 CFM, 3-4 if you remove the cover, and the fan in the Vino itself is much stronger. If you do want more airflow, you need to use computer fans which can be easily hooked up via a 12v adapter (found at RadioShack).

What you should do is just invest in some beads. A pound of beads split in two for top and bottom will almost always fix this problem. $30 for a lifetime of use, and passively working is probably the best thing you could buy besides a humidor for your cigars. You may like your Oasis, and paid a pretty penny for it but for a Vino, beads are the way to go.
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s15driftking 12:02 PM 02-10-2009
Originally Posted by Parshooter:
That's strange. I've always believed that humidity will fall, therefore the bottom should have more humidity than the top. Check your cigars. Do the cigars at the top level feel the same as the ones on the bottom? Maybe you should invest in a nice digital hygrometer as well.
there is more humidty on top, and the cigars are a bit softer up top when i do the squeeze test. i should have also mentioned that both hygros are digital.


Originally Posted by Prospector:
Have you tried swapping the two hygros, just as a sanity check on their operation? It would be interesting to see how they read then.
yes, i have done this and they (respectively) tell me that there is mroe humidity on top.


Rarilith, i appreciate your advice on the beads but i'm not ready to go that route.

My basic question to everyone who is trying to help is this... Will the RH even out top-to-bottom if i get some circulation going in there? shoudl i put the fan up high or down low.

I've used beads and other types of passive humidification which didn't produce what i wanted and as of right now i'm never looking back.
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Prospector 12:17 PM 02-10-2009
Originally Posted by s15driftking:

My basic question to everyone who is trying to help is this... Will the RH even out top-to-bottom if i get some circulation going in there? shoudl i put the fan up high or down low.
It should. Getting some circulation going in there should induce mixing and eliminate the humidity stratification that you are seeing. Theoretically it shouldn't really matter where the fan is placed as long as it induces mixing of the entire volume.

caveat: I can't speak from any experience as I don't yet have a vino.
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