So uhm..every phucken exercise I hated doing in the Marines? :-)

:-)

true, but doing exercises that target the core are more effective, that is like doing chest and forgetting about any tri work outs. :-) I hope you get what I tried to say :-)

:-) Unfortunately Bao that is true, remember what shape you were in after all that?

Then=Lean, Mean, Killing Machine!
Now= Not Lean, Not Mean, Cheeseburger Killing machine! :-)

:-) time to get back to "basics"

I get what you're saying; but that's why doing them "right" makes them compound exercises. :-)

Take the bench, for example. If you do it like a lot of the mirror boys, you're keeping your back flat(ter), elbows out, and isolating your pecs. If you're doing them like a powerlifter ("right" :-)), you're using your legs, abs, pecs, tris, shoulders, lats, and more. You're not isolating ... but I think that's Frank's point.

Frank's only point is his head (haha) true but I still feel targeting those muscles work better for strength though not fat burning

:-)

Oh jeez I started a debate LOL :-)
Prof is on target with me on this one. Isolating with body weight is far less compared compound movements done with even moderate weight.

Dont worry Bao, I went from a athlete to a cheeseburger killing machine also. lol

I did some Russian twists on the decline sit up bench today with a 5lb medicine ball above my head as part of my ab workout. Today was the first day in months I've worked my abs. Main focus was back and chest. wide grip pull-ups, incline bench, flat bench, abs. The ab workout got my hip flexors so tight that I could barely walk. I had like a 1ft stride. Gotta start working them some more.

I lift like a mirror boy, I don't arch my back or use my legs when benching. Where is Gerry?

I dont see anything wrong with doing bench in that fashion. If you are truly seeking isolation than more power to you on that. Others, and myself included feel that basic exercises such as the bench press, are more beneficial for everyone done more as a compound movement, with traditional form. Also many people will argue that compound movements, done improperly or tweaked to be performed as an isolation type exercise do more harm than good. Example being, bench pressing with a wide grip and elbows flared.

My big argument has always been, performing 1 exercise more effectively than say 3, is more beneficial in so many ways.

you rang?

I'm not sure what flared elboys are, but I always keep strict form when lifting swinging bouncing and arching are cheats to me :-)
Was hoping to get your view on this little debate we got going :-) the squats for core ,isolated vs compound etc. If you rather not get drawn in I understand:-)

i bench arched back, drive with legs, and elbows in...

I wonder if I'm in the minority on certain techniques? I guess I have more reading to do :-)

I usually walk like that if I need to do a #2 :-)


Great debate/info guys...I love the knowledge being thrown around!:-)

I wouldnt say you are in the minority about it. There are a lot of people who are proponents of isolation type movements. There are many different schools of thought on everything. What it really boils down to is what you are training for.
Everyone loves a little debate.

That, Frank, and I would add "instinctive training" or training through experience to the equation. People respond differently to the same movements, so you need to find out what works best for you.

The cool thing is Frank while we debate others learn and we remain fratelli :-)