uhm....lost?
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That was a GREAT episode last night. I couldn't believe it when it turned out that Ben killed John and that he didn't commit suicide.
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I sure could, Ben's a snake.


I used to frequent a Lost forum (4815162342.com) but the number of people there insisting that "Ben's a good guy you can't force your morals onto other people" drove me absolutely insane. (Not that what you said got me angry :-) )

I hate Ben and can't wait for him to get his.
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Good answer. :-)

I, for one, am really looking forward to your (your friend's) notes.
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:-)
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So is Ben or Charles bad? Both? I'm not sure what to think anymore.

Me too. I need my Lost notes fix.
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Please.... don't hold out on us junkies!

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I love seeing you guys/gals squirm.
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Typical pusher...now he's going to raise his prices. :-) :-)
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Lost 5 - Episode 7 "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"

1. Nadia - the nurse at Locke's hospital in Tunisia sure looked a lot like Sayid's Nadia but it was hard to tell because Locke passed out as soon as the camera was on her... However, she would have been dead at that point in time. No one can seem to find a screenshot as it happened so quickly.

2. Locke's old girlfriend Helen. Recap: Helen was Locke's girlfriend who we learned about in flashback episodes. We learn how they met, see how their relationship develops and eventually ends (due to his obsession with his con man father). At one point in Locke's life he had a phone sex operator use the name Helen so he could pretend that he still communicated with the real Helen. Is she really dead or did Widmore stage that grave so Locke really would have no reason not to return to the island?

3. Frank Lapidus landed the Ajira plane on the smaller island... this would be why he and a woman (probably Sun) took one of the outrigger canoes... to get to the larger island to find the Left-behinders (Sawyer, Jin, etc). Either Frank pulled off a really smooth beach landing or he brought the plane down on the infamous runway that the Others were building with the help of captured Kate and Sawyer in Season 3.

4. When the Ajira 316 survivors found Locke he was standing in water... a blunt baptism inference. Notice that the two Locke's were shown to us again: Off-island Locke is gullible, a pawn in someone else's game, weak, insecure, etc. On-island Locke is focused, strong, and has mad knife skills.

5. Locke's hotel - the Westerfield Hotel... there are only some of the letters of the Westerfield Hotel lit before Locke's 'suicide' scene. They are: WESTRFIELOTL
I put them in an anagram generator and didn't come up with much. FREEWILLOSTT is about all I found that applies.

6. When Caesar was rifling through an office's papers he was in the Hydra Hatch (remember when Jack was in the aquarium there... the bear cages are there too). It is located on the smaller LOST island. So, how did the papers he saw get there three years after we saw them last (see attached Faraday journal screenshots that compare Caesar's papers to Faraday's journal)? That Caesar is a shady character. If he's working for Widmore, why didn't he know who Locke was? Who is he working for?

7. Back to Christian's shoes from last week - I thought that Locke needing something of Christian's was so silly, but maybe having something of Christian's would be a way for someone on the island to identify Locke once he got back.... or to convey some message to Christian.

8. Why didn't Ben just let Locke kill himself? Locke had lost his faith and that is what made him so special... Maybe if he had died by suicide he could not have made it back to the island? So once Ben restored Locke's faith he killed him since they both knew that John had to die in order to get back. OR... Was Ben surprised that Locke knew about Ms. Hawking and he was afraid that Locke would find out from her that Ben wasn't supposed to return to the island? He was breaking the rules by returning. Remember that he said if you move the island you can't come back... ever.

9. This is an excerpt from a blog that I enjoyed, regarding the relationship between Locke and Ben in the hotel. Read it if you are interested...
Ben's here to repair the damage caused by Jack, Sayid, Kate and Hurley. Ben's here to re-infuse Locke with the confidence and purpose he had when John turned the frozen wheel just few short days ago. He tells Locke that he's not a failure. He pleads with Locke not to kill himself. Jeremy Bentham dies here, and the old John Locke is back. He even thanks Ben. This is the guy who kidnapped people, the guy who told string after string of filthy lies. This is the man who gutshot Locke and left him in a pit full of rotting corpses. But hey, all is forgiven for the Island. Suddenly John believes again - his faith is restored. Ben knew that if Locke had died faithless, or by suicide, he might not have been resurrected. That's the single most important part of his visit to the hotel room.
You can bet your ass that everything he does is coldly calculated, and Ben already had that stuff when he showed up. He knew he'd have to kill Locke just as certainly as he knew he had to make it look like a suicide. Do you think Ben wiped his fingerprints from the extension cord and bleached the room to avoid being caught by the cops? No, he needed the newspapers to reflect that Jeremy Bentham had taken his own life. This got Jack to the funeral, but more importantly it served to let Charles Widmore think he'd succeeded in driving Locke to suicide. Sneaky ****? Yup. That's Benjamin Linus.

Remember Widmore's cryptic comment to Ben back in ''The Shape of Things To Come:'' ''Everything you have you took from me.''

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I got the feeling that Ben was helping Locke stay alive to gain information. Locke said two things that made Ben pause. One was when he mentioned the name of Mrs. Hawkings and the other happened just before it (I think ... I cant remember what the information was though). It seemed to me that Ben didn't decide to kill Locke until John inadvertantly passed info to Ben (that he seemingly didn't know yet).

Thus ..... no more need to keep Locke around, since he has the info he needed. :-)

I don't know. Sure is good television though. :-)
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Let's all take Image to Bao. We needed our fix. Aaaaahhhhhhh, I feel soooo much betta. :-)

Ben first winced (sort of) when Locke mentioned that Jin was still alive. The Hawking comment followed. Perhaps Jin knows something since he was on the barge that blew up or perhaps since he has been on the island for an indeterminate amount of time?
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That's it. That was the other moment that escaped my thoughts. Good memory!
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Can I say that Sawyer is my hero? First Kate...then Juliet...:-)
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:-) :-) :-) :-)
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Juliet is so god damn foxy. Oh my god do I love older women.
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I need my lost notes!!! I swear, each episode makes me want to have the forums up and running so I can realize there is so much I am missing in the episodes. Heck, Horace, I know he has come up before, but I just could not remember.
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Horace was the one that first welcomed Ben and Ben's Dumb Dad to the island.
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I haven't read the notes yet. I don't even know if BAO posted notes. I worked my 24 hour shift yesterday and had to TIVO my LOST. I'm watching it tonight and then you know where to find me. I'll be gettin' my BAO NOTES fix.
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Wasn't he also the dead guy that Sawyer found in the van with all the beer?
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