I think that there is more that haven't found this thread yet. I just found it this evening.

Isn't there a pretty good B&M in Chattanooga? I wonder if they know this guy. Might be good to let them know the type of person he is. Maybe spread a little shame in his direction.

Actually, i went for the CC`s, as i didnt have the ones he listed.

My last e-mail has been ignored. I wish we could do more to help you all out, things liker this really stink. The matter has been put to the ToE for a decision on Parafumar....unfortunately, banning him will serve little purpose as he doesn't even show his face here anymore...but I think it's a step we must take. :-)

He's already on the scumbag list, down near the bottom. Good site to check before sending your money to anyone that no one can vouch for.

http://scumbagslist.com/

Wow, added back in October.

Take the list with more than a few grains of salt. While parafumar and others on there deserve to be there, the method by which folks make the list is a joke.

Check out some of the "reasons" for making the list -posting Cuban sources; late on a Secret Santa obligation.

All I am saying here is don't treat the list as gospel. While it is well known, it is by no means an authoritative source.

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I agree with that. I know of at least one person who made good on the issue that got them there, and it couldn't take them off it. Sometimes, it is "mob mentality" that can get a person on there. Though there are some people who VERY deservedly end up on the list.

That's my :-)

I got a PM from Parafumar today, with a DC# and apology. I will reserve judgement for a few days.

I just got one as well.

Very true but still a lot of guys are on there because they deserve it, guys need to read the reason they are on there and not just the name.

I don't disagree that many on the list deserve to be there. But the description alone doesn't tell the whole story. And if there were extenuating circumstances and the person eventually made things whole, do the list adminstrators remove the entry and/or issue an apology? Of course not. All I am saying is that the mechanics of the list is severely flawed.
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I have to agree with Mr Pnoon. Some of the reasonings on that list are pretty bad. HOWEVER it is a valuable tool if you use it for what it is for, and read the reason people are on it. I would prefer it if had more information on it. Everything is pretty simple and vague.


Example - People gouging and re-selling. Sure it's not cool but does that make them a "scumbag" or a bad trader. Nope.

Oh I do agree and I think the biggest thing they should do is give more of the story as to why the guy got put on there in the first place. As far as removing them I don't know, did the person make right cause they got caught or did the person make right cause they felt they themselves did the wrong thing? The whole reason of outing a cuban source is a stupid reason for being put on the list getting someone banned from a board sure but it has nothing to do with trading.

I actually do think that makes them a scumbag, if they have a business then great but if there whole purpose is to come to the boards is to make money off a botl then yes they belong there.

Ideally, if the intent is to protect the cigar community as a whole, there should be representative from each of the larger boards who can work together to administer the list. It would be of much greater value if it had more credibilty. As it exists now, the use is minimal.
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I believe someone was on there as a business that bought boxes from people and resold them. I think that has nothing to do with being scammed or not. The reasonings on that list go from minimal to a VERY extreme. I feel that some of the lesser offenders being put on the same list as say....parafumar, while we're on topic here, he's ripped off what 5-7 people? While others are on there for outing sources, being late on trades. Sure it sucks and I wouldn't necessarily want to deal with them but without a further story.........Hard to say. Who owns the list anyways? I'm sure it's not admins of any boards or anyone with ANY authority. Just a few peoples opinions.

EDIT and Pnoon said just what I was typing.

:-) I did also!

Looks like we all got contacted by him today. I have checked the DC several times and there is no information about them yet. It should be up at least within the next few hrs. We shall see gentalmen

I normally give 24 hours for any type of update by the USPS tracking system.