or you can cycle off those type supps for 3 weeks, also cut out other sources of caffeine :-)

:-):-)

I don't know what we are talking about but this made me laugh. :-)

:-) A play on words :-)

Jim, try Vasocharge, maybe that will taste good and work :-)

On other weight-lifting forums I've browsed through I've seen a lot of popular response to Gaspari Nutrition Superpump 250. I've never tried it, but elsewhere it seems to be a popular alternative to WF and NO-Xplode.

it also has a unique nickname, superdump :-)

Haaaaahahahaha. That's awesome. I think every N.O. product I've taken gives me the need to do my business about 20 minutes after taking it. Fine by me, it keeps me light on my feet for the gym lol.

what is WF?

White Flood made by Controlled Labs. A Pre-workout Nitric Oxide drink (Or they have tabs you can take now instead) for energy, endurance, and pump. It's definitely the best one I've used.

oh. I've been wanting to buy some no explode. haven't heard of WF before today when you guys were talking about it.

My advice would be to order a small tub of White Flood from bodybuilding.com. and get a free sample of NO-Xplode. Then you can try both. Or you could order some protein, or anything else you might need, and get a free sample of each of the two before you make a $30 decision you may not like. Other sites may do this, but I know that bodybuilding.com does, and I've been very happy with them every time I've ordered.

Thanks for those tips man. yea getting a sample of the other would be GREAT!

EDIT: any of you ever use hydroxycut before?

also look into vasocharge

I took hydroxycut before they took out the ephedrine...that stuff worked but we had guys in the military that would pass out or get heat stroke in Okinawa due to weather and the dehydration from ephedrine. I don't know about now though..I hear the newer stuff isn't as effective..

I was looking at the hydroxycut extreme on bb. ephedrine never bothered me. Made me a bit jittery but nothing major. People should know that you need to drink a LOT of water when you are taking supplements anyways. Especially when working out. I try to drink a gallon a day, and I only workout 2-3 times a week.

Just took my first dose of N.O. Vassive. I don't know how much, if any of this is placebo, but I'm starting to feel pretty amped up and ready to go after roughly 20 minutes. It's a nice calm energy. I don't feel like I just shotgunned 2 redbulls, but I definitely feel ready to get off my ass, and move some iron. The taste was actually quite good. I have the lemon-lime. It tasted like a slightly sweeter 7-up or Sprite, but without the carbonation. It has a very slight chalky mouth-feel, but it's barely noticable, and it doesn't hamper the flavor at all. I was worried when I read that it won't ever fully dissolve so you have to keep agitating it, which usually means it's similar to drinking wet sand. This wasn't the case. I shook it up 4 times, and drank it in 4 good swigs without ever feeling any grittiness. I'm off for shoulders and triceps tonight, so I'll try and post back when I'm done. So far though, I'm happy with it.

Do you know if Bodybuilding.com has samples on this product? I don't want to spend the cash without a trial run, as I have had bad luck with other Gaspari products.

Be careful....even if you don't "feel" the results, extended use of ephedra can cause a plethora of health problems, not the least of which can be hypertrophy (enlargement) of the heart.

you could shoot bb.com an email, I'm sure they do thats how they get ya hooked :-)

Not sure, but I'll go check. Usually the free samples are available as one of the sizes of whatever product you're looking at when you go to add it to your cart i.e. 2.6lb tub, 1.5lb tub, 1.29lb tub, Free Sample.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gn/super.html

Yeah, they have a free sample. I wish I would've thought to get one on my last order. You do have to order something to get a free sample, but you could order a shaker bottle and get 6-7 free samples while you're at it.