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BlkDrew 03:46 PM 07-03-2012
The lighter color is the plume
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cmitch 03:55 PM 07-03-2012
Sorry about the size of the picture. But both spots look round and fuzzy. I did not want to bias anyone's opinion as to what I thought it was (I said mold on this and several other sticks this BOTL says is plume). Not really worth arguing about but he is supposed to know the difference. From my experience, plume has always been somewhat scattered all over the stick with tiny crystalline specks. Not huge, round fuzzballs.
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TheGiver 08:30 PM 03-03-2013
I'm new here and the original examples pictures now are dead links. So I thought I'd update with some rather epic plume pics.

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Flawless cigar
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Empty yellow plumed out cello
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pnoon 08:31 PM 03-03-2013
Uh, that would be mold.
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RevSmoke 08:36 PM 03-03-2013
Originally Posted by TheGiver:
I'm new here and the original examples pictures now are dead links. So I thought I'd update with some rather epic plume pics.

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Flawless cigar
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Empty yellow plumed out cello
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Ummmm, sorry to disappoint, but plume does not grow on cellophane, mold does however.
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TheGiver 08:40 PM 03-03-2013
Absolutely not. The cigar was perfect. New to the forum, not new to smoke'n.
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T.G 08:53 PM 03-03-2013
Never seen patchy plume before. Mold, on the other hand...
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AdamJoshua 09:08 PM 03-03-2013
Originally Posted by pnoon:
Uh, that would be epic mold.
:-)
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CigarNut 09:39 PM 03-03-2013
:-)
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icehog3 10:04 PM 03-03-2013
Originally Posted by TheGiver:
Absolutely not. The cigar was perfect. New to the forum, not new to smoke'n.
A more suspicious BOTL would see that this was your first post, and think that possibly you were trolling for a reaction, and know that it is indeed mold. But like you, I am a giver, so I will just assume you are mistaken. :-)
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TheGiver 10:26 PM 03-03-2013
Originally Posted by icehog3:
A more suspicious BOTL would see that this was your first post, and think that possibly you were trolling for a reaction, and know that it is indeed mold. But like you, I am a giver, so I will just assume you are mistaken. :-)
Yea icehog3, I hear ya but definitely not the case.

So I'm clear here, the consensus is that mold will grow inside and outside of cello while never ever being on the cigars? Because that is exactly the case here. Rub the stuff with your finger and it comes right off. I'm not trying to argue here. Just asking more questions.

I've had mold on my cigars in the past(humi too full and too close to the humidifier) and this looks nothing like it. It's like a sticky dusty film on the cello. The cello actually feels dirty/sticky.

Here is a high res photo of another cigar, diff vitola but same year/blend. Again, the cigar is perfect with regards to any growth on it.
http://lookpic.com/O/i2/943/AWqPuIEp.jpeg

--TG :-)
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T.G 10:38 PM 03-03-2013
Originally Posted by TheGiver:
So I'm clear here, the consensus is that mold will grow inside and outside of cello while never ever being on the cigars?
No. Not sure where you got that from, but mold can occur on both the cello and the cigar. Plume, on the other hand, can only occur on the cigar.

Originally Posted by TheGiver:
Because that is exactly the case here. Rub the stuff with your finger and it comes right off. I'm not trying to argue here. Just asking more questions.
The rub test isn't a definitive test. If the surface is smooth, it's pretty much worthless.

Originally Posted by TheGiver:
I've had mold on my cigars in the past(humi too full and too close to the humidifier) and this looks nothing like it. It's like a sticky dusty film on the cello. The cello actually feels dirty/sticky.
Plume is crystalline, not sticky.

Originally Posted by TheGiver:
Here is a high res photo of another cigar, diff vitola but same year/blend. Again, the cigar is perfect with regards to any growth on it.
http://lookpic.com/O/i2/943/AWqPuIEp.jpeg

--TG :-)
403 - forbidden error.
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dwoodward 10:40 PM 03-03-2013
Your new link is dead. But your old links look like mold... it's patchy, plume isn't patchy, mold tho.....
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TheGiver 11:11 PM 03-03-2013
FFS!!!!!!!! no idea why that link is dead.

http://vvcap.net/db/JBv-IQPgj8MgFYM8nNSJ.png
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T.G 11:20 PM 03-03-2013
Originally Posted by TheGiver:
FFS!!!!!!!! no idea why that link is dead.

http://vvcap.net/db/JBv-IQPgj8MgFYM8nNSJ.png

Maybe it's just a bad photo, but I see nothing in this photo that would indicate the existence of plume or mold.
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TheGiver 11:32 PM 03-03-2013
Originally Posted by T.G:
Maybe it's just a bad photo, but I see nothing in this photo that would indicate the existence of plume or mold.
A darker background may bring out the residue that is now in question. The top cell is from the original photos above, the lonsdale. The bottom is cello from the figurado, pic above.

http://vvcap.net/db/ywKA_gm6Vz75VriFL0vK.png
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RobR1205 11:42 PM 03-03-2013
:-)

:-)
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T.G 11:49 PM 03-03-2013
Originally Posted by TheGiver:
A darker background may bring out the residue that is now in question. The top cell is from the original photos above, the lonsdale. The bottom is cello from the figurado, pic above.

http://vvcap.net/db/ywKA_gm6Vz75VriFL0vK.png

Could be water spots or other deposits, possibly old/dead mold colonies.

Plume is a very fine crystalline deposit that will typically occur evenly across the entire capa (wrapper) leaf of a cigar. It can, in theory occur on any tobacco, but for obvious reasons, if it occurs elsewhere in the cigar, we won't be able to see it. It's oil/mineral/sugars coming out of the leaf and crystallizing on it's surface.
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pnoon 12:00 AM 03-04-2013
:-)
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bobarian 12:02 AM 03-04-2013
Plume or bloom is are crystalline structures formed by the oils of tobacco. There is no evidence positive or negative that show any benefits to taste or flavor. Even light mold really has no detrimental effect unless it has penetrated the foot and corrupted the filler or binder. :-)
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