Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag - Page 3

Originally Posted by Darrell:
My friend is a Mexican American and he says Cinco de Mayo isn't a real holiday anywhere but the U.S., it was cooked up by beer companies to sell more products. It gets hardly any exposure in it's own country outside of Puebla.

And if it's not the beer companies, it's certainly the tequila companies. Cinco De Mayo is the perfect excuse to fire up the blender and take a trip to Margaritaville:-)

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox:
Would you consider wearing a shirt with the American flag on it, inappropriate and detrimental to the learning environment, and that this would fall under the reserved right of the school? By the way, Clayton, just trying to understand your stance:-)

Again, I think the principal did a stupid move and I think the rule was misapplied, all I'm was saying is that the admin does have legal precident to exercise discretion over what the students wear to school, so a lawsuit might be a lose/lose situation for everybody involved:-)

For information purposes, the students are protected by California Education Code 48950.

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Wow...that is just sad.

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Originally Posted by akumushi:
And if it's not the beer companies, it's certainly the tequila companies. Cinco De Mayo is the perfect excuse to fire up the blender and take a trip to Margaritaville:-)

Haha. So true. :-)

Originally Posted by akumushi:
Again, I think the principal did a stupid move and I think the rule was misapplied, all I'm was saying is that the admin does have legal precident to exercise discretion over what the students wear to school, so a lawsuit might be a lose/lose situation for everybody:-)

I understand, and I think we agree.

Originally Posted by akumushi:
And if it's not the beer companies, it's certainly the tequila companies. Cinco De Mayo is the perfect excuse to fire up the blender and take a trip to Margaritaville:-)

Yep:-):-)

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox:
For information purposes, the students are protected by California Education Code 48950.

When was that passed? They certainly did the "turn your t-shirt inside out" thing all the time when I was a student, so either the admin was breaking the law then too, or things have changed. Maybe they have some argument about how clothing is not a protected free speech thing? Thanks for bringing that up, now I'm intrigued about how this plays out. :-)

Originally Posted by pnoon:
What is to be gained?

I think the biggest gain is that the other school administrators will take the student's right to free speech more seriously. Maybe they will learn that their opinion or dislike of someone's protected speech is not legal justification for revoking that person's rights.

This stuff happens in colleges as well. Check out townhall.com columnist Mike Adams. He writes 2-3 times a week about how universities only filter (punish) speech they don't like. It's rediculous, immoral, and illegal. It will continue if legal action isn't taken.

Originally Posted by 357:
I think the biggest gain is that the other school administrators will take the student's right to free speech more seriously. Maybe they will learn that their opinion or dislike of someone's protected speech is not legal justification for revoking that person's rights.

This stuff happens in colleges as well. Check out townhall.com columnist Mike Adams. He writes 2-3 times a week about how universities only filter (punish) speech they don't like. It's rediculous, immoral, and illegal. It will continue if legal action isn't taken.

What he said.

Wait a minute! I haven't seen any comments from the ACLU about protecting the kids rights. Oh. They are Americans displaying an American flag. The American Communist Liberties Union don't care about this.

Originally Posted by akumushi:
When was that passed? They certainly did the "turn your t-shirt inside out" thing all the time when I was a student, so either the admin was breaking the law then too, or things have changed. Maybe they have some argument about how clothing is not a protected free speach thing? Thanks for bringing that up, now I'm intrigued about how this plays out. :-)

Im not sure when it was passed.

Originally Posted by akumushi:
Again, I think the principal did a stupid move and I think the rule was misapplied, all I'm was saying is that the admin does have legal precident to exercise discretion over what the students wear to school, so a lawsuit might be a lose/lose situation for everybody involved:-)

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox:
I understand, and I think we agree.

Nate, Clayton expressed very well what I meant by a lawsuit being pointless.

Originally Posted by AD720:
Are high school principles elected in CA? :-)

NO. Nobodies principles are elected.

Nor are high school principals.:-)

Sorry brother, I couldn't resist, :-)

Originally Posted by Resipsa:
NO. Nobodies principles are elected.

Nor are high school principals.:-)

Sorry brother, I couldn't resist, :-)

:-) I don't get it. :-)

Edit: I get it now. Well word-played.

Originally Posted by AD720:
Are high school principles elected in CA? :-)

Not that I am aware of:-)

I was referring to a previous poster (should have quoted) that said something about PC run amok, and that will only be cured at the ballot box IMHO.

Originally Posted by akumushi:
Again, I think the principal did a stupid move and I think the rule was misapplied, all I'm was saying is that the admin does have legal precident to exercise discretion over what the students wear to school, so a lawsuit might be a lose/lose situation for everybody involved:-)

The administration needs to act in a non-discriminatory manner, no matter what they do.

This is not only a free speech issue, there is also a Section 1983 action here.

The question becomes why were only the students wearing the American flag sent home? Why not the students displaying the Mexican flag? This is surely just as incendiary to those who are offended by those who insist foreign holidays be celebrated in this country.

It doesn't offend me, but it does offend some. And both groups of students should have been treated equally under Section 1983.

Originally Posted by ggainey:
Not that I am aware of:-)

I was referring to a previous poster (should have quoted) that said something about PC run amok, and that will only be cured at the ballot box IMHO.

Just giving you a hard time Greg. :-)

I must have missed the memo where May 5th became a national holiday... I guess I better start paying closer attention.

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