Thank you.
At least now the discussion with Jon can proceed.
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Hard to know what you believe at this point.
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Again... not what Im saying.

But would you agree that your experience with Havanas is limited?

You say the vendor is somebody that many of us buy from... please feel free to PM me, or one of the mods (Pnoon, Icehog and Lascivious are already in this thread) the name of the vendor. That would probably put the fake discussion to rest.
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Jon, I missed reading your post about the vendor your buddy buys from. Moe's post had me retread the whole thread. Take him up on his offer. Then we can eliminate the question of authenticity from the equation.
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:-)
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Can I shoot you my addy too??? :-)
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You have more cigars than I do :-)
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But yours are way better!
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This.
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Don't force it. If you don't like them that is OK. Maybe your friend's cigars were fake maybe not. If you want to give CC's another chance you can try to get some CC's from a legimate source or you can continue enjoying your NC's. As many have said Smoke what you like, like what you smoke.

I moved from being an NC smoker to a mostly smoking CC's. However, I still enjoy NC's -- just not as frrequently as I used to. All cigars have their place.
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The whole NC v. CC thing has come to be a bit of a misnomer. At one time, lumping all NCs together might have made sense, but with the amazing brands and the recognition of individual countries, this seems more and more artificial over time. This is merely my opinion.

Many people whom I greatly respect here prefer Nicaraguan cigars over CCs. This is a much more point specific distinguishment that I can really relate to. As is my one friend who likes Nicaraguan cigars with Equadoran wrappers. This, I get. The whole NC v. CC debate is one that I can't really relate to anymore. But that is just me.

But at the end of the day, smoke what makes you happy. Anyone who doesn't agree with that simple statement, well, they ain't welcome on my patio.
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Vendor verified as a legit source.
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Ignorance is bliss. I wish I could be happy drinking cheap beer, liquor, and wine... and smoking 4 dollar "domestics" that I could walk into a store down the road and find on the shelves any day of the week....
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:-):-) Me too
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Sounds good. I'll pm you my addy as well. :-)
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:-):-):-)
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Jon, Mac and I have talked at length about this exact topic. I was in the same place as he was up until the last year or so.
I took a break from smoking, mostly due to health. I liked the nastiest, strongest, darkest, most delicious maduros I could jam in my face. When it came to cc's, they just had nothing for me. They were entirely too subtle and sissified, I needed a nic puro or dominican puro that was hella strong just to satisfy my tastes. Mostly it was because of my 2 can a day snuff habit, Mac chews too.
Anyways, after taking that break, Clayton gifted me a fiver of cc's that I'd been holding onto and I laid into them. They were fabulous. I loved them all and I could appreciate them because I had some of my senses back.

I still wasn't a convert, not by any means. But that opened the door. Fast forward a couple years and I found myself smoking less and less nc's, well, because quite frankly, they sucked ass. They've been rapidly going downhill for quite some time so far as I'm concerned. There are still some excellent smokes, but where once there were hundreds of talented and complex blends, it was a struggle to find anything new that wasn't boring.

I took that opportunity to go back and rediscover cc's and I've not stopped since. While most guys enjoy older cc's, I like freshies. They're new and strong and full of flavor. They keep well, are more sought after the older they get, and a 4 year old box of cc's is generally just about as strong as it was new. Not so with nc's, or at least most of them.
When my cc's get too old for me to really enjoy them, I know someone else is going to go absolutely gaga over them, and that makes me happy. I can swap my old stuff for new stuff. I can't lose. With nc's, even Padrons suffer after 5 or 6 years, becoming far too mild for me to really enjoy.

All this to say, you don't have to like anything you don't want. If cc's aren't tripping your trigger now, they probably will later. Do be aware that at this point in the game, so far as cc's are concerned, you really don't know anything. That's not a dig or a jab, it's just a matter of fact. It's a good thing, too. You have that whole other world waiting for you when you're ready. I'd be willing to bet a fiver that when you get there, you're gonna find you enjoy them greatly. I didn't think I'd ever see that day after smoking a couple hundred cc's, but I never gave up on them. Despite my current feelings on the state of nc's, I haven't given up on them, either.
I just like cigars. And I smoke what I like. :-)
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+1... Age on CC's is a must.
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A must. I humbly disagree.

To the OP, I would suggest being a little more open minded to the feedback that you requested. You seem to be quick with the trigger. Just saying...

Hope you find what you are looking for.
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My only cc experience is from DBall BTT and there were some I really loved, some that were decent and some I wouldn't care to revisit. I can say that the ones I really loved were better than any NC I've ever had. I had a Bolivar Exclusivo Canada on independence day that is to date the best cigar I've ever had. Its also the only cigar > $20 where I felt it was worth the cost. I got it through a friend of a friend, so I suppose it could have been fake, but I don't really have any reason to believe it wasn't based on the flavors. If it was, I was still very pleased with it.
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