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General Discussion>One way to fix fax telemarketers
poker 10:11 AM 09-15-2010
http://www.junkfax.org/fax/action/getEven.html

Not sure if this part is real or not but found this interesting:

Step #4
If you want to take matters into your own hands and don't mind spending a bunch of hours to do that, you can sue in small claims court. I can tell you that small claims works. For example, I got 16 faxes from First Chartered Investments and after a 15 minute hearing, walked out with 16 judgments for $2,500 each, a total of over $40,000 (see FirstChartered.pdf). Here's how to do it:

How to get $2,500 per junk fax in small claims court

How to get $2,500 per junk fax (California only)
How to sue people (general legal tips)
How to sue in small claims court
Lawsuit tips and tidbits
Collection tips and tidbits
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Blueface 10:31 AM 09-15-2010
Kelly,
That is great information but man is it a whole lot to do.

I am going to start by calling my phone company and making sure that line has the same feature as my main house number.
If a call that is unidentified comes in, it puts them through hoops before they can ever connect with me.
Based on what I am seeing, they are sending these faxes from an unidentified number as none is recording on my fax received.
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Blueface 10:50 AM 09-15-2010
Called my phone company and learned I have a feature that by dialing *77, I can stop any call that tries to come in blocked, that for example use *67 to call me.
Will try that and see how that works before the next step, putting them through call privacy where they have to identify themselves first.
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ABNMP619 11:01 AM 09-15-2010
Originally Posted by Da Klugs:
Which is the problem with thinking we are inflicting pain on the sender by returning faxes. These faxes typically come not from physical machines but fax software. We have used this type of technology for a long time. Inbound faxes are received and stored as PDF's. With the advent of IP phone technology this type of operation can scale up pretty massively for outbound blitzes with little means of doing much to them in response.

The PDF's do take up space though so virtual faxing to them enough content could chew up their disk space assuming they actually set up to receive and or store the results.

Send pictures of your A$$.
I agree with Da Klugz, show them a picture of your A$$ and send it over and over again! That is awesome! :-)
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md4958 11:29 AM 09-15-2010
I used to get about a dozen or so of these per day... Now I just have my all-in-one set to where I have to accept a fax when it rings. Its a pain for the person faxing, but thats the idea :-)
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Blueface 11:50 AM 09-15-2010
Seems of these guys are "spoofing".
Just went back through my cell log of missed calls and realized that once a day, I get a call from a weird number I don't know. I never answer it. They never leave a message. The number continuously changes. Never the same one.

Made a list of them and called via *67 and seems half are not even real numbers. The other half go to a mail box that is already full.

I bet the faces are being spoofed also.
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sikk50 12:02 PM 09-15-2010
Originally Posted by Da Klugs:
If you really want to send a message. Contact them via phone. See how long you can keep them on the line talking. :-)

Make it your daily morning wake-up routine over coffee for a few weeks. They might get the message in this way better than most. :-)
This.

ATT was jerking one of my employees around so he called and spent 1.5hrs talking to this one poor guy. Wasn't mean or yelling just overly nice and pleasant wanting to know how this guys life was going and what not. But the end of the phone call the guy was so grateful to get off the phone he offered him an early upgrade on his contract.
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RGD. 05:11 PM 09-15-2010
When I had my fax line I had the call reject features, etc on the line which really cut down on the trash - but every now and then I would still get the occasional persistent trash. So this is what I would do after the first fax to them asking them to stop and they didn't:

Wait until it was late night so I wouldn't need the fax line.
Go to one of my computers that had a fax card installed it.
Open up MS Word
Open largest PDF file that I had, such as the AB Chance Manual or OSHA Manual.
Tell MS Word to print to fax - 200 copies or so.
Select reconnect on fail.
Go to bed with a smirk on my face.


Maybe it did something or not - but I felt better and the faxes normally stopped.

Don't have the fax line anymore. I can fax out if need be but I don't accept faxes from anyone.

Ron
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Blueface 05:45 PM 09-15-2010
Originally Posted by RGD.:
When I had my fax line I had the call reject features, etc on the line which really cut down on the trash - but every now and then I would still get the occasional persistent trash. So this is what I would do after the first fax to them asking them to stop and they didn't:

Wait until it was late night so I wouldn't need the fax line.
Go to one of my computers that had a fax card installed it.
Open up MS Word
Open largest PDF file that I had, such as the AB Chance Manual or OSHA Manual.
Tell MS Word to print to fax - 200 copies or so.
Select reconnect on fail.
Go to bed with a smirk on my face.


Maybe it did something or not - but I felt better and the faxes normally stopped.

Don't have the fax line anymore. I can fax out if need be but I don't accept faxes from anyone.

Ron
Great one!

Just found this website for "blocked" calls.
Neat stuff.
Lots of clips of tv news spots about it.
www.trapcall.com
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Tank 08:33 PM 09-15-2010
Actually small claims is outstanding. Great detective work. I am dealing with a firm that put something on my credit report. Max claim for small claims is $3,500. If the firm (usually out of state) fails to show, they cannot defend themselves.
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