The last time I used SAS was on a terminal. I use Statistica 4.5 .. mainly because I paid ~700 for the software on seven 3.5" floppies in the early 90s. Copied the floppy files to a USB and it installs and runs just fine on Xp32. I runs everything that I understand LOL.

You name dropper Moe! So instead of visiting him he's coming to visit you? :-)

Don Pepin is a guest of theirs :-)

Who is Don Pepin and why are we talking about him? :-)

Don José "Pepin" Garcia is currently the C.E.O. of El Rey de los Habanos, Inc, a cigar company in Miami, also known as Don Pepín Cigars. He is a noted cigar maker living in Miami, Florida. Born in Cuba, he is a master cigar roller and blender, and the creator and maker of numerous popular cigar brands.

Pepin Garcia brands
Don Pepin Garcia Blue Label
Don Pepin Garcia Serie JJ
El Rey de los Habanos
Vegas Cubanas

Client brands
Black Cat Cigar Company, Philadelphia, PA NOTE: As of ca. April 2008, these will no longer be made by Pepin.
Rey Miguel
Sam's GS Stash
The Cigar Merchant, Alpharetta, GA
Trahan Reserva Serie T
Cigar King, Scottsdale, AZ
Cuban Diplomat
Habana Leon
Havana Soul
Hirsh y Garcia
Nacionales “W”
Sancti Spiritus
Holt's Cigar Co., Philadelphia, PA
Little Havana Overruns
Tatuaje Cigars Inc
Tatuaje
Cabaiguán
Padilla Cigar Company, Hialeah, FL NOTE: As of early 2008, Pepin is no longer making these.
Padilla Miami 8 & 11
Padilla Signature 1932[11]
Padilla 1948

Nicely done Admiral, I am a bit slow Googling on my Crackberry at this time of night!

Agreed also.
Most know and understand that internet sticks require longer before smoking. On first arrival most go to **** about 1/2 way. 4 months later I dont believe theres a difference. I said before and I will say again. I have done splits on internet cigars with PEOPLE WHO WORK AT B&M. They dont believe there to be a difference after the sticks have rested long enough.

That said when I walk into the B&M I go to and yes its a full blown shop, I generally always buy a stick even if I am smoking something from home such as an CC or less common stick. So long as I am not flat broke. I think most shops gripes are that regulars come in with internet sticks all the time rarely buy there sticks but use there facilities.

The more I spend on a cigar, the better it should taste. Right?

Absloutely not.

Gurkha Warrior......$7

Partagas Short....$4

Need I say more?

:-) :-)

NC Cohiba....$10+ :-)

Padron Londres.....~$2

Need I say more as well? :-)


This is an interesting discussion and I can honestly say I have not read through the entire thread.

The question I would want to know is turnover. I know B&Ms get a lot of foot traffic and probably sell more singles that internet stores, but what are those people buying? Are the people who frequent B&Ms looking for the same cigars as people who buy over the internet? I know when I go into local B&Ms (even ones with great selections) they often have the name brand cigars (montecristo, cohiba. . .) front and center or they have a large selection of Fuentes. I know when I go into a B&M I am looking for something specific to try as a single, when it comes to larger purchases I definitely go online.

Cigars are a handmade product, so it would not surprise me if there are slight differences between different batches in terms of blend and construction. Add that to the fact that cigars change with rest/age, storage conditions (RH) and it just doesn't seem possible. But you never know.

Also, I would assume you get a slightly different experience depending on how the cigar draws, how fast you smoke and how you cut the cigar. I know I personally do not like a punch as it concentrates the smoke too much for me. This is also the reason I typically make torpedos into robustos (:-) I know this is against the rules but I like to live on the edge sometimes).

Padron Londres $2

'01 Rafael Gonzales Corona Extra $1.36

Say more, Aaron. :-)

I'll take the Padron.

Hey, it doesn't count when they are on sale for ridiculous prices! :-)

Good, then we won't be wrestling.

Why? :-)

I bet you the Padrons draw better! :-) :-) :-) :-)

Maybe I should expand my post.

Arturo Fuente Curly Head

B&M: $2
Internet: $0.63

Should I enjoy it more because of the cost? I doubt that they would really put the time into separating tobacco for B&M and internet retailers, it would be waste of time and cost. They make the same amount of money per box out of the factory. What difference would it make to them? None.

You smoke the Padron Londres, I will smoke the RG CE, and we can compare notes. :-)

I have bought from both online and local shops. I prefer to buy most of my cigars from my local shop. It is located within a couple of miles from my house, always has a nice selection, friendly atmosphere, and usually good fellowship. If on the rare occasion that I get a bad stick, Howard is always quick to replace it with no fuss. Even factoring in gas and time, I can usually at worst come out even over paying for shipping. BUT, as I said, I am fortunate to have a local shop that is well stocked. I have spent some time in smaller towns that were not so fortunate.

As a matter of fact, I spent a couple of quality hours there this afternoon enjoying a couple of cigars, raiding the fridge in back for beer, and comparing hospital horror stories with the rest of the refugees from honeydo's that were hanging out there.


I will definately second (third, fourth, etc. this)!

BTW, When are you and Andrea looking to hit the Turtle again? Maybe I can make the trek up there to join ya.

Something tells me I will not be smoking a $2 cigar if we get a chance to smoke together in a couple of weeks!

We can still wrastle ya big stud