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wlai 02:27 PM 09-15-2011
Saw this blog post: http://www.stogieguys.com/2011/09/09...s-at-once.html, in which the author suggests that you smoke two similar cigars side by side to really reach into the difference in profiles and improve your palate.

I think that's a great idea for a newbie like myself. My question is: Do you have any recommendation for a paring that may be interesting, and more importantly, inexpensive? I don't want to waste a smoke since I probably won't be relaxing and enjoying them, as much as analyzing them.
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pnoon 02:31 PM 09-15-2011
Originally Posted by wlai:
Saw this blog post: http://www.stogieguys.com/2011/09/09...s-at-once.html, in which the author suggests that you smoke two similar cigars side by side to really reach into the difference in profiles and improve your palate.

I think that's a great idea for a newbie like myself. My question is: Do you have any recommendation for a paring that may be interesting, and more importantly, inexpensive? I don't want to waste a smoke since I probably won't be relaxing and enjoying them, as much as analyzing them.
Based on yor last sentence, if you won't be relaxing and enjoying them, why bother? :-)
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Doctorossi 02:34 PM 09-15-2011
Originally Posted by pnoon:
why bother?
To educate oneself for the benefit of future relaxation and enjoyment. :-)
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wlai 02:44 PM 09-15-2011
Originally Posted by Doctorossi:
To educate oneself for the benefit of future relaxation and enjoyment. :-)
I'm a firm believer of no pain no gain! But seriously, it's not like it'll be painful, just it won't be the same as if I have a cigar in hand, drink in another, and just stare into sunset kind of enjoyment.
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pnoon 02:45 PM 09-15-2011
You missed my point. If he doesn't want to "waste a smoke" because he won't enjoy them, it seems to me to be not be worth the effort. Besides, IMO, new smokers would get more out of just sampling different cigars to broaden their experience instead of trying to over analyze ad over think the process. Once a foundation has been laid, then maybe some analysis would pay dividends.

If the OP anticipates enjoyment from the analysis, that is a different story. But I didn't get that from his post.
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Doctorossi 02:54 PM 09-15-2011
Originally Posted by pnoon:
If he doesn't want to "waste a smoke" because he won't enjoy them, it seems to me to be not be worth the effort.
Fair enough. :-)
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Blak Smyth 03:17 PM 09-15-2011
Originally Posted by wlai:
Saw this blog post: http://www.stogieguys.com/2011/09/09...s-at-once.html, in which the author suggests that you smoke two similar cigars side by side to really reach into the difference in profiles and improve your palate.

I think that's a great idea for a newbie like myself. My question is: Do you have any recommendation for a paring that may be interesting, and more importantly, inexpensive? I don't want to waste a smoke since I probably won't be relaxing and enjoying them, as much as analyzing them.
I know what helped me the most when I started smoking was buying a bunch of singles or fivers of all kinds of smokes. Once I found one with a hint of coffee I knew what I was looking for. Also an unsweetened cocoa is a flavor I enjoy. I never even knew I could find these in a cigar until it happened. I did find alot of other smokes I enjoy as well, but I haven't met to many maduros I didn't like. It is different for everybody so try them all.
Like what Pnoon said it may be some what of a waste to burn two cigars side by side, and being a new smoker I couldn't handle that much nico:-)
Keep us posted if you try this technique you posted about. Welcome to the site! Sounds like it could be fun to try with two small cigars maybe, but I worry about mixing aromas, and aftertastes. Those are also parts of a cigar I pay attention to.
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irratebass 03:56 PM 09-15-2011
Originally Posted by pnoon:
You missed my point. If he doesn't want to "waste a smoke" because he won't enjoy them, it seems to me to be not be worth the effort. Besides, IMO, new smokers would get more out of just sampling different cigars to broaden their experience instead of trying to over analyze ad over think the process. Once a foundation has been laid, then maybe some analysis would pay dividends.

If the OP anticipates enjoyment from the analysis, that is a different story. But I didn't get that from his post.
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Peter is wise:-)

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I know what helped me the most when I started smoking was buying a bunch of singles or fivers of all kinds of smokes. Once I found one with a hint of coffee I knew what I was looking for. Also an unsweetened cocoa is a flavor I enjoy. I never even knew I could find these in a cigar until it happened. I did find alot of other smokes I enjoy as well, but I haven't met to many maduros I didn't like. It is different for everybody so try them all.
Like what Pnoon said it may be some what of a waste to burn two cigars side by side, and being a new smoker I couldn't handle that much nico
Keep us posted if you try this technique you posted about. Welcome to the site! Sounds like it could be fun to try with two small cigars maybe, but I worry about mixing aromas, and aftertastes. Those are also parts of a cigar I pay attention to.
As is Shane :-)
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DBall 04:35 PM 09-15-2011
I've posted a thread before on smoking 2 cigars simultaneously. Most inexpensive way to do that is to smoke a primary cigar and, as the contrast cigar, pick up a box of clubs or minis (not flavored ones or anything) and puff on that when you start finding it more difficult to pick out specific flavors.
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wlai 04:54 PM 09-15-2011
I do actually enjoy the analysis, as it turns out. I'm interested in developing my palate, and I am tasting a lot of singles from samplers, but the subtleties of one vs. another is kinda lost on me. When you can't actually pin point what this or that spice is other than just being spicy, and not being able to put words to describe it, they tend to run together in my memory.

I've seen the favor wheel(s), and they are somewhat helpful. But I still don't know what "nutty" on any of those wheels mean. Heck I have a mouthful of nuts as I type this, and I see no resemblance to my smokes. I think being able to contrast immediately the subtle difference seems like as viable a strategy as any, Pnoon do you disagree?
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icehog3 05:00 PM 09-15-2011
Originally Posted by wlai:
I do actually enjoy the analysis, as it turns out. I'm interested in developing my palate, and I am tasting a lot of singles from samplers, but the subtleties of one vs. another is kinda lost on me. When you can't actually pin point what this or that spice is other than just being spicy, and not being able to put words to describe it, they tend to run together in my memory.

I've seen the favor wheel(s), and they are somewhat helpful. But I still don't know what "nutty" on any of those wheels mean. Heck I have a mouthful of nuts as I type this, and I see no resemblance to my smokes. I think being able to contrast immediately the subtle difference seems like as viable a strategy as any, Pnoon do you disagree?
:-)
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pnoon 05:44 PM 09-15-2011
Originally Posted by wlai:
I do actually enjoy the analysis, as it turns out. I'm interested in developing my palate, and I am tasting a lot of singles from samplers, but the subtleties of one vs. another is kinda lost on me. When you can't actually pin point what this or that spice is other than just being spicy, and not being able to put words to describe it, they tend to run together in my memory.

I've seen the favor wheel(s), and they are somewhat helpful. But I still don't know what "nutty" on any of those wheels mean. Heck I have a mouthful of nuts as I type this, and I see no resemblance to my smokes. I think being able to contrast immediately the subtle difference seems like as viable a strategy as any, Pnoon do you disagree?
Yes, I do.

Trying to discern subtle differences before you have experienced and can differentiate the general differences seems to put the cart before the horse.

To put it another way, I am grateful that I did not taste high end/rare cigars early on in my cigar journey. I would not have been able to appreciate the complexity and nuances some of those cigars have to offer. I can certainly appreciate them now.

Just my opinion/perspective.
Like many others here, I will tell you THE most important thing is to enjoy the hobby/obsession. Everything else is secondary.
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wlai 07:00 PM 09-15-2011
Originally Posted by pnoon:
Yes, I do.

Trying to discern subtle differences before you have experienced and can differentiate the general differences seems to put the cart before the horse.

To put it another way, I am grateful that I did not taste high end/rare cigars early on in my cigar journey. I would not have been able to appreciate the complexity and nuances some of those cigars have to offer. I can certainly appreciate them now.

Just my opinion/perspective.
Like many others here, I will tell you THE most important thing is to enjoy the hobby/obsession. Everything else is secondary.
Thanks for your perspective. I certainly aren't going to stop enjoying this new hobby of mine, that much I can assure you!
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Sherlockholms 11:33 PM 09-15-2011
Very Nice article William, But I think I would be toast at the end of two cigars! One tends to kick my but if I'm not careful, Two would be a challenge.
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vinnydisilvio 06:55 PM 09-16-2011
Originally Posted by wlai:
Saw this blog post: http://www.stogieguys.com/2011/09/09...s-at-once.html, in which the author suggests that you smoke two similar cigars side by side to really reach into the difference in profiles and improve your palate.

I think that's a great idea for a newbie like myself. My question is: Do you have any recommendation for a paring that may be interesting, and more importantly, inexpensive? I don't want to waste a smoke since I probably won't be relaxing and enjoying them, as much as analyzing them.
i can definitely respect that you'd want to try this. since the article was posted on a relatively well-known site, there's some credibility to this method. granted, what works for one won't necessarily work for another but for the most part it can't hurt to try it once. if you find it doesn't work for you it's something you just put behind you. plus, the recommendation from the article is not to do it a lot but only occasionally.

it's hard to recommend something without knowing what you already like to smoke, but if i was personally doing this, i might go with a Rocky Patel Decade and a Rocky Patel Fifteenth Anniversary, both torpedoes. or maybe a Don Tomas Clasico robusto and a Perdomo Grand Cru robusto.

hope you get a chance to try this and it works for you! it's hard to get a hang of tasting the nuances of cigars. sometimes it takes years. please report back with your findings if you try it!
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