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mosesbotbol 12:01 PM 05-05-2010
Not exactly your first thoughts, but quite interesting:

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/br...12299486.shtml

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A U.S. scientist is supporting a theory that has been widely dismissed as a personal obsession of Venezuela's Hugo Chavez: that his hero Simon Bolivar might have died from arsenic poisoning.


Venezuela's leftist president rejects the traditional account that Bolivar, a brilliant Venezuelan military tactician who liberated much of South America from centuries of Spanish rule, died of tuberculosis in Colombia in 1830.

Now, Paul Auwaerter of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine says his death was most likely caused by arsenic -- either from drinking contaminated water or using the naturally occurring poison to try to cure headaches and hemorrhoids.

At a medical conference in Maryland last week, Auwaerter said he did not rule out murder but thought it was unlikely.

The scientist's caution, however, did not stop Chavez -- who has dedicated his "socialist revolution" to the memory of Bolivar -- from interpreting the findings as proof of murder.

"For years I have had the conviction in my heart that Bolivar did not die from tuberculosis," he said over the weekend.

"And now a scientist from the United States comes out saying he has proof ... that Bolivar died by murder," Chavez added, ordering his foreign minister to contact Auwaerter.

The doctor told Reuters the Venezuelan government had not yet been in touch, and he was worried his research was being misconstrued.

"What I said has been taken and used for their own political means," Auwaerter said in a telephone interview.

In his fight against "Yankee imperialism" by Washington, Chavez often invokes Bolivar -- who is second only to Jesus as a figure of reverence in much of South America.
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md4958 12:04 PM 05-05-2010
Moses, from your title, I thought you had done another review on the Short Bolivars :-)
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mosesbotbol 12:19 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by md4958:
Moses, from your title, I thought you had done another review on the Short Bolivars :-)
Are they that bad? Have not had one yet.
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Eleven 01:07 PM 05-05-2010
Having a nutjob like chavez holding Bolivar in high esteem does not bode well for the Cigar brand in my book.
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Ashcan Bill 01:23 PM 05-05-2010
There's something wrong with that painting.

Shouldn't the sky be yellow?
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St. Lou Stu 01:27 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by Eleven:
Having a nutjob like chavez holding Bolivar in high esteem does not bode well for the Cigar brand in my book.
Good. More for me.
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md4958 01:33 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol:
Are they that bad? Have not had one yet.
No, they are not that bad, they are coming around.

Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill:
There's something wrong with that painting.

Shouldn't the sky be yellow?
LOL

Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu:
Good. More for me.
:-)

Lets see if we can have Chavez endorse the Especiale #2... hopefully the price will drop :-)
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St. Lou Stu 01:35 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by md4958:
No, they are not that bad, they are coming around.



LOL



:-)

Lets see if we can have Chavez endorse the Especiale #2... hopefully the price will drop :-)
Stay away from my Especiales #2s Moe.:-)
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mosesbotbol 01:40 PM 05-05-2010
There is nothing wrong with Chavez endorsing or loving Simon Bolivar; it is expected.

Did you know Simon Bolivar is so loved, they named a country and cigar after him?

He is a hero to millions of Latinos.
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md4958 01:42 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol:
Did you know Simon Bolivar is so loved, they named a country and cigar after him?
Argentina, right?
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mosesbotbol 01:48 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by md4958:
Argentina, right?
Don't sign up for Jepordy :-)
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md4958 01:50 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol:
Don't sign up for Jepordy :-)
sorry... "what is Argentina?"
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mosesbotbol 02:03 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by md4958:
sorry... "what is Argentina?"
A place that has a lot of silver.
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St. Lou Stu 02:04 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol:
A place that has a lot of silver.
Oh, Oh, Oh.... I'm good at this game...
What is the bank?
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mosesbotbol 02:07 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu:
Oh, Oh, Oh.... I'm good at this game...
What is the bank?
Banco de la Nación Argentina or Maradona's safe.
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md4958 02:10 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol:
Banco de la Nación Argentina or Maradona's safe.
everybody knows Maradona's safe is filled with coke, and young prostitutes!
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mosesbotbol 02:16 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by md4958:
everybody knows Maradona's safe is filled with coke, and young prostitutes!
Don't forget the Arepas and Chicharrón! :-)
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floydpink 03:49 PM 05-05-2010
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol:
There is nothing wrong with Chavez endorsing or loving Simon Bolivar; it is expected.

Did you know Simon Bolivar is so loved, they named a country and cigar after him?

He is a hero to millions of Latinos.
Just about every square in every town I have visited in South America has a statue or tribute to Bolivar.

In Cartagena, we used it as a meet up spot if we got seperated in one of the bars.

While there's plenty wrong with Chavez, there's plenty more to admire Bolivar for.

The cigars aren't bad either, but not as worthy of praise as Simon Bolivar, the great liberator.

I put him on the same level as a general as George Washington was to the USA, although Washington never became a dictator.
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