Okay guys, posted a review under teh Cohiba section, check it out.
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Moved to the "Other Islands" section as it was agreed from the box pics that this cigar is not purported to be Cuban.
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LOL
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Weird. Couple days after this thread started I just saw some of these at a local B&M today. They were next to an array of other cigars definitely (and shamelessly) imitating Habanos.

These other cigars were all unbanded, and were in individual little containers labeled like so:

"Cuba's Famous Brands
Comparable to:
Bolivar Royal Corona"

There were "PSP2"s, "CORO"s and a few others. Nothing else about them, except for "Made in the Caribbean" and "Similar in color, size and construction to Cubans" lol.

Anybody seen these?

@bobarian
Of course everything you said is true, but that wasn't what I or the others were saying. I was merely saying Cohibas have been made since 1966, which they have. The branding and public introduction don't have anything to do with it. Hence when the actual Cohiba 40th Aniversario (the Behike) was released.
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So, if a car manufacturer makes a prototype that becomes an actual for sale model 20 years later, they can claim it has been produced since the beginning? Like I said, if you, or ANYONE ELSE, CUBA INCLUDED, can show me a PRODUCTION box, labels and all, prior to '80s, I will be the first one to admit they were made since 1966. One size, a Lancero, made per someone's personal request and given out as personal gifts, does not make a production cigar last time I checked. See Steve Saka and his Liga Privada (or whatever it is called) cigar line, should Drew Estates now claim the cigar has been in production since Steve smoked the first one?

History has been re-written before, plenty a time, too bad so few have regard for it.

Let's make it easy, SHOW me a Cohiba box with date stamp prior to '80s.

(JOKE):
A husband walks in on his wife in bed with a neighbor. His wife: Who are you going to believe, your loving wife or your lying eyes?

Very on theme for the topic, IMO.
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Joke:
A couple goes to see a marriage counselor.
The counselor has brought his son to work today to see what he does for a living.
The counselor says he wishes to speak to the husband and wife, one at a time.
The counselor brings in the wife first. The son observes the dad question the wife about their relationship. She says, my husband is a bum. A loser. A lousy husband.
The counselor says, you are right.
Next, the counselor brings in the husband. The son observes the dad question the husband about their relationship. He says, my wife is a bum. A loser. A lousy wife.
The counselor says, you are right.

The son is bewildered. He says, dad, the wife said awful things about the husband and you said she was right. The husband then said awful things about the wife and you said he was right. Dad, they both can't be right.

The counselor says to the son, you are right.

This too is very on theme for the way this topic has evolved.
Sort of like are we talking about the chicken or the egg.:-)
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Annnnd you still miss the point. Deliberately, it seems, so I don't feel like going there.

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Anyway, I have news on this "Cohiba" for those interested. I asked my local B&M about this cigar which I saw at a different B&M, and he didn't know what to say for a minute. Then it struck him I guess, and he told me that it's Altadis' Siglo line. Apparently they re-branded and re-blended it, changing the band to this 40th Aniversario band and putting it in cabinets.
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OK,
Thanks.

But............
If Yugo's were made at five a year in Yugoslavia from 1970-1980, then in 1980 they go into full production for the US (thank God we got a chance to see that marvel of engineering on our roads), were they actually in production from 1970 or were they only in production from 1980, when they became available to the American market?:-)

:-)
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WTF? They rebranded and repackaged a line that was released in 2009 and backdated the labels to 2006. :-)
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Well this thread is interesting.
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Can you help out with the Yugo's?

I say they were in production since 1970 as were Cohibas in the 60's.:-)
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Apparently. Who the Hell knows what goes on/what's going on in their boardrooms.
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Boxes from Cuba did not have box codes until 1984/85.


Arguing that Cohibas from the 1960s/70s were not production cigars is absurd! These cigars were PRODUCED as diplomatic gifts. Just because they were not available to the general population, does not mean they were not production cigars. They were made in the same factory as many other cigars, and clearly were not prototypes or anything like that. Since these early Cohibas were produced in massive quantities, they are 100% a production cigar, and the dates of the brands beginning are valid.

While I dont have a picture of a box from that time frame, here is a picture of a 1970 Cohiba Lancero. (bad cell phone pic, sorry)

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The notable difference between this cigar and the Lanceros released in the 80s was the band was a little different. The yellow area at the bottom was smaller and has a different yellow color (more of a bright yellow, than the 80s dull yellow). I dont know for sure, but I think they changed the band just a little to let the "insiders" tell the difference between the cigars produced for diplomatic gifts, and the cigars for the rest of us.
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Jason 1 The Riddick 0
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Not true.

He failed to show the box. No box, no score.:-)
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